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Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by magistral, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Sep 24, 2006 #61 of 109
    Furball

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    Its only TV after all , disposable entertainment so for myself its fine in the quality that we get and that TiVo reproduces, and its TiVos fantastic way that it makes TV even more disposable which makes it so attactive.

    For me, watching the news, Dr Who, 24, WestWing in HD seems pointless, after all I'm only going to go "Boing" delete now at the end of it :D and do I pay that much attention the actual program anyway :eek: as I said its disposable entertainment.


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  2. Sep 24, 2006 #62 of 109
    Pete77

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    Its the plot and program quality that mainly determines my enjoyment of a program rather then the visual resolution, even though I do confess to finding it very hard to enjoy almost any film in Black & White, although possible exceptions being real gems like Laurel & Hardy or Kind Hearts & Coronets. HD is a very small advance compared to the introduction of Colour on UK television in place of Black & White, which I am old enough to remember in my household as a 10 year old. That also involved an improvement in screen resolution too from 405 to 625 lines.

    Also just look at how long the program format change to widescreen is taking so you can imagine how long it will take for SD to HD to be completed, even leaving aside all the old SD programs that will continue to be reshown.

    I find I enjoy Tivo programs that I have somehow found their way on to my Notebook PC (by means we cannot discuss here) for viewing on my PC on the train or on holiday as much as I do those on my larger home television. However I did used to find watching tv on a 4" colour portable I once owned not too much fun though unless it was some very major sporting event I wanted to keep in touch with. So that is why I think mobile phone tv may not be that big a hit.
     
  3. Sep 24, 2006 #63 of 109
    ericd121

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    Milton...
    I must admit I find the "Its only TV" (sic) quip that occasionally crops up here quite annoying.

    I don't find it "disposable entertainment", unless one is taking a zen-like, or nihilistic, view that we're all going to die one day, all things must pass and therefore nothing is important.

    For me, television is important; it's my main source of news, information and entertainment.

    I certainly had little idea that school dinners were so poor until Jamie Oliver came along.

    Given that you don't care about picture quality, or indeed about the programme itself, maybe you're not the best person to comment. :p

    I, myself, would relish seeing Doctor Who in HD; the visual aspect, special effects etc. is a major part of its appeal, which you'd know if you paid attention. ;)

    The news is another matter; I already fast forward through much of the carnage portrayed; having that in more detail would not enhance my life.
     
  4. Sep 24, 2006 #64 of 109
    Pete77

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    Did you not attend a UK school yourself then Eric? Perhaps you were educated by your parents or perhaps abroad somewhere where school dinner standards are higher? ;) :p

    I attended four different UK schools in my school career, all in the more financially monied, theoretically better resourced and more up market private sector and yet the standard of the catering varied from the actively vile to at best the bland and awful.

    I can still remember those ghastly Cheese and Egg pies with going off or overcooked eggs and disgusting soggy pastry even now from when I was a 7 year old and I've still been put off for life from eating raw tomatoes or cooked peas by a sadistic private school that said we had to eat everything up (no European convention of human rights or ban on the use of the cane back then) no matter how ill it made us feel that I attended for a couple of years beween the age of 8 and 10.

    Perhaps you attended the one school in the UK which actually had delicious school dinners then? ;) :D
     
  5. Sep 24, 2006 #65 of 109
    cwaring

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    I seem to recall that mine were okay. It was so long ago it could be wishful thinking though :D
     
  6. Sep 24, 2006 #66 of 109
    Ashley

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    The main thing I remember about school dinners is the strange meat - full of tubes! :mad:
     
  7. Sep 25, 2006 #67 of 109
    Andy Davies

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    I think you're pretty much right but this is what I'd do...

    Offer a box which delivers the features of the Tivo (with dual Freeview tuners) but similar to the Toppy which encourages hobbyist to 'add value'.

    I'd also add a network port and the ability to stream content from the PVR to other clients and sell something along the lines of Apple's iTV to complement the PVR i.e. you can schedule recordings or watch them from other rooms in the house.

    The real question becomes how do you make money? People like Topfield are doing it on the hardware, but Tivo relies on a proprietary program guide for it's revenue.

    What do Tivo really want to sell - the product or the service? Perhaps they could rely on the Freeview program guide as a default (perhaps restrict it to 7 days) and then offer an upgrade to a more complete one e.g. 14 days, does series passes correctly etc.

    Still not sure this a viable option though :(

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  8. Sep 25, 2006 #68 of 109
    ericd121

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    Pete, it pleases my proletarian politics that privilege and position produced poor provisions for paying posh pupils.

    I think that Carl and I are of a similar vintage; I left school in 1978.

    In state schools, dinners may have been unadventurous, but they were usually edible.

    If I can remember school dinners at all, I think they were looked forward to, and rarely, if ever, rejected.

    "In 1980 the Thatcher government's first education act made the provision of school meals discretionary and dumped all nutritional standards.

    Eight years later, the introduction of compulsory competitive tendering - the requirement that all contracts for local services be given to the most competitively priced bidder - guaranteed that the quality of school meals collapsed." - The Observer June 25, 2006

    Once the market economy had taken over, then, as you found in your public school, the quality declined because food was being viewed as a cost, rather than as nutrition for growing minds.
     
  9. Sep 25, 2006 #69 of 109
    cwaring

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    Not quite. I started high school (ie the one after Juniors) in '79. Makes you about 5? years older. I'm 39 :( (Okay. Five years might just be on the border of 'similar';))
    That's my recollection.

    The rest of your post is just depressing :)
     
  10. Sep 25, 2006 #70 of 109
    Pete77

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    Eric,

    Well I left school here in 1981 but at age 18 being a privileged sort of a git and inevitably heading on to one of the few real universities that still existed back in those days compared to all those now artificially upgrade Polys. Not sure whether despite the best efforts of the Thatcher regime you made it to Uni or not? Logic says that at least most Tivo hacker types have been to Uni though. I suppose that if you were off down the local mines at age 15 though we might even indeed be the same age. :p

    Perhaps a possible explanation on my shock at school dinner quality is that coming from a well off middle class home my mother always prepared particularly sumptuous and tasty fare so the contrast with the survival rations at school may have seemed a lot harsher?

    And due as you say to possibly a profit maximising ethos at my schools (although note that private sector schools are run as charities and I think at least in those days were mainly all about the established and much smaller middle and upper middles classes maintaining their existing elite educational status rather than about being filthy lucre making businesses in their own right) the dinner ladies were all Elsie Scrunge from the local council estate on only 20p an hour or whatever it was back then who only knew about serving boiled carrots and overcooked mash to their kids. Whereas you poor proletarian guys may have been grateful even to have any kind of a reliable square meal at all? ;) :D

    Also may I commend you on your particularly fine example of alliteration at the top of your previous post on a level to match or even exceed the well known "Peter picked a peck of pickled peppers". Its amazing what you state school sector fellows seemed to have managed to pick up even in what you found to be that oppressive Thatcher run era of the late 1970s. :eek:

    By the way Eric just noticed your "Lovely" Tivoweb themes and downloaded and installed them but can't find one I really like better than Technophobe2 which just shades out the very similar Technophobe. If I had to pick one of yours it would be LovelyGeen but I still find the lack of contrasting colour a bit too much. I did think the presentation of the modules in boxes in the three lines across the top was better though.
     
  11. Sep 25, 2006 #71 of 109
    cwaring

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    I hope you didn't get taught that 'logic' at Uni, 'cos I for one never went to one :p
     
  12. Sep 25, 2006 #72 of 109
    Pete77

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    It might have been the eltist private sector schooling that is to blame for such narrow minded thinking on my part. Although of course if present trends continue it will soon become elitist not to go to University. ;) :p
     
  13. Sep 26, 2006 #73 of 109
    katman

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    I left school in 1976.

    Sittings for dinner were on a rota basis based on your year and so that everyone got a chance at first sitting.

    Preferences were for 1st or 2nd sitting as everything was still available, or for 5th sitting as you got to go for "seconds"... and sometimes thirds or fourths :)

    People attending lunchtime clubs got priority tickets for "first serving" so several clubs of little interest were joined so that you could get into dinner early and sit in a warm dry classroom afterwards rather than out in the cold and wet.

    Failing that you would deliberately be late so that you were one of the last in and could get seconds. :)

    The times of the sittings werent fixed, it was just a continuous line of pupils entering the dining hall.
     
  14. Sep 26, 2006 #74 of 109
    katman

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    I knew there was a reason why my TiVo remains unhacked .... and I thought it was just because SWMBO would kill me if I broke it !!!
     
  15. Sep 26, 2006 #75 of 109
    blindlemon

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    At last - a post in this thread that actually mentions the word "TiVo" :D

    Is it just me being dense, or are the two subjects of school dinners and Series 3 TiVos related in some mysterious way I have yet to understand? :p
     
  16. Sep 26, 2006 #76 of 109
    katman

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    I believe the cause of this is due to a Series 1 Tivo, specifically Erics, which recorded "Jamies School Dinners" which disturbed the space time continuum resulting in this thread getting diverted.

    The other possible link is the fact that the likelyhood of getting todays kids eating cabbage and brussel sprouts is on a par with us getting a series 3 machine.

    Bring on the cabbage and sprouts :)
     
  17. Sep 26, 2006 #77 of 109
    Pete77

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    I think the Tivo linkage was that it was used by Eric to record the Jamie Oliver programs about school dinners and had it not done so then we would never have had this interesting little side discussion about School dinner quality in this thread.

    Any thread that commenced with asking Tivo owners about their school dinner quality in the abstract would rightly have been moved to the UK General Chit Chat section of the forum.

    Mind you even then I think we have somehow drifted to discussing the use of Tivo S1s rather than the S3s this thread is supposed to be about. :(
     
  18. Sep 26, 2006 #78 of 109
    cwaring

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    Yes! I remember that! Our school meals were so nice I always went for seconds; or more :D
     
  19. Sep 26, 2006 #79 of 109
    Pete77

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    Little theory emerging here on my part that perhaps in the average Comp or Secondary School of the time truancy rates were already sufficiently high that you had to offer the kids a decent meal to encourage them to turn up. Whereas the average private school kid had no option but to go in no matter how bad the food as they knew they would face the Spanish Inquisition and severe retribution from Mummy and Daddy if the school ever called to ask why their little one had not been attending.
     
  20. Sep 26, 2006 #80 of 109
    iankb

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    When I went to school, junk food didn't exist, and there was nothing really local to the school for purchasing alternate food. Therefore, school meals were as good as you could get, and were subsidised enough to be the only real choice. Also, pocket money was a fraction of what kids get nowadays, so nobody could afford to buy food elsewhere.
     

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