Series 3 Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by magistral, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Sep 16, 2006 #41 of 109
    andyjenkins

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    DVD meant nothing to a generation growing up with VHS and/or Betamax. So what was a DVD player to those with VCR's? You had to explain what it was. Honestly, I don't know *why* DVD players took off if something like TiVo did not. Surely if DVD Recorders are a better version of VCRs (and that is generally accepted and the reason for there popularity), then why did'nt TiVo take off ? You could juse use the same analogy surely. To say that PVR's did'nt take off is not true I guess - they were just delayed until someone with money pushed the concept down everyones neck.


    Might I suggest you alter that too "It records TV shows without a tape/disc, and alows instant access to all those programmes". It does'nt cover 10% of TiVo's or any generic PVRs capability I agree though. If you only advertised TiVo as something that could "record TV shows" - no wonder TiVo did'nt take off. Maybe your the one we should be linching :D

    OK - I can see your point - but it will never happen (although I'll make no promises that I'll eat my hat if it does - TCF has an archive !!) TiVo is indispenble and I agree that anyone using the system for a couple of days would want to buy one - but I do not see that as being the way forward. Other new technology succeeds without such a marketing activity.

    Honestly .. I just think TiVo was ahead of it's time and the UK generation was not ready for it. Now however, thanks to Sky .. TiVo could really make some bucks I think.
     
  2. Sep 16, 2006 #42 of 109
    katman

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    What we need is another "shopping channel" on SKY.... BUT... one that is devoted to demostrating Tivo and explaining all the features. There is simply no way that a page in a newspaper or a 30 second TV advert could begin to describe what TiVo is capable of.

    As has been suggested earlier, combine the intensive demonstration with a 28 or 30 day money back offer and I believe it would take off big time.

    People said that DVD players wouldnt take off because you couldnt record on them but I always pointed out that you couldnt record on a CD Player but people were buying millions of CD's.

    I first "saw" a Tivo in Dixons when they were full price but they couldnt demonstrate what it could do.

    I bought one when the £99 clearout was happening at Powerhouse after hearing people raving about them.

    I first saw what Tivo was capable of when I got home and connected it up. If I had seen a proper demo in Dixons I would have paid the full price there and then :)
     
  3. Sep 16, 2006 #43 of 109
    cwaring

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    Oh I don't know. I'm part of that generation and I "got" DVDs straight away.

    Well for a start there's no buttons on the front :) At least with a DVD recorder there's usually a big "RECORD" button on the fron that would give you a clue as to what it did :D

    Huh? It was nothing to do with me, Guv. Honesr! :)

    As one member - mr tickle, IIRC - found to his cost some time ago ;)
     
  4. Sep 16, 2006 #44 of 109
    pauljs

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    To get successful in the UK TiVo needed to get integrated with Sky or DTT. They had a chance with Sky but for a reason that could only be selfish or financial Sky plumped for their own Sky + offering.

    Maybe we could have a series 3 Sky HD TiVo
     
  5. Sep 17, 2006 #45 of 109
    mjk

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    I also run Media Center as while it is OK, the lack of the TiVo UI is a grave disappointment.

    I think that a TiVo software package for the PC platform would be a great idea. Not running under Windows, though that might be attractive to some, but containing the Linux kernel as well so that the system boots up in the same way as a TiVo.

    The nice thing about it is the potential for additional customization by adding additinal tuners in the same way that other equivalent packages allow. (I read that Modis Portal has been successfully tested with 12 tuners!)

    The problem idea of add-ons for Windows is that Media Center can always undercut the commercial ones, and I have found the open source equivalents to be a little idiosyncratic.

    The nice thing about a native PC solution is that as the Series 1 demonstrates, you don't need a state-of -the-art fast system as you tend to do with Windows. Now some of that was due to dedicated hardware design, so I doubt you could ever get down to the level that we see in the S1, but I suspect that there could be a solution that worked well on mid-spec PCs and would give you something to do with an old system when next it becomes time to upgrade. There might also be an option (or need) for a hardware add-on card to provide some of the special functions of the dedicaed hardware, such as MPEG decoding for payback.

    I'd love to see this idea pursued, but I'm not holding my breath. I fear it is up there with Sky being compelled to support CAMs! Unlikely to happen while they are part of the same company that owns The Sun!!
     
  6. Sep 17, 2006 #46 of 109
    terryeden

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    http://MythTV.org/

    It's not quite as user friendly as TiVo - and it takes some work to get it to run, but you can add as many DVB cards as you like for multiple tuners and hack it until the cows come home.

    I'm wondering.... Does it count as service theft to take TiVo guide data that one is paying for (via lifetime or monthly) and use it on another (non-TiVo) device...?
     
  7. Sep 17, 2006 #47 of 109
    cwaring

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    An interesting moral, if not legal, dilemma. I wasn't aware you could extract the EPG data in the first place :)
     
  8. Sep 17, 2006 #48 of 109
    terryeden

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    Well, if TiVo web can read it - it must be there. Either in a database or in a slice file.

    It wouldn't be impossible to make a module like HiGuide output XML in a format that any other TV listings program could read.

    T
     
  9. Sep 17, 2006 #49 of 109
    cwaring

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    A good point :)
     
  10. Sep 17, 2006 #50 of 109
    mjk

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    More to the point, you could also extract things like the ToDo list and use the data to set up events on MythTv, Media Portal, GB-PVR, or the system of your choice. I would be prepared to argue that it isn't service theft as you need to have a TiVo for it to actually work, and you are just using it to program another recorder, rather like the hack that allows you to sync 2 TiVos to resolve conflicts.

    Close examination of the license might reveal that there is a restriction to only use the data on your TiVo, but I would be impressed if anyone had thought of this ahead of time.

    Extracting the guide data and using it to provide a service to others would, IMHO, be a no-no.

    Using your TiVo to control another recorder might be eccentric, but it would allow you to benefit from Season Passes and Wishlists, etc. It might make sense if the other recorder offered greater quality, such as, for example, recording HD. Using your TiVo to control your Sky+ HD box has a rather delicious irony, and might be quite easy, given that you can apparently set recordings using your mobile phone!
     
  11. Sep 18, 2006 #51 of 109
    algordon

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    Very interesting all this stuff about the series 3 but I would take bets that we have seen the last of Tivo here. I read something recently possibly on Digital Spy that Tivo has been operating in the red for the last couple of years.

    Remember it's a pretty small market here compared to the US. Also, when Tivo first started here, they had only one competitor - Sky - whereas now they have loads. I love Tivo as much as the next member but many of the products made by Tivo's competition offer a lot of the same facilities. Also, why now? Tivo's had I think three maybe four years to come back so what would make them think now was the time?

    Yes, we could all dream up an ad campaign that we're sure would have Tivos flying out the door.

    If you ran Tivo in the US however would you seriously think it was a worthwhile strategy to try again in a small-ish market, with much greater competition than the last time and when your profits are already under threat in your home base?

    All you would be Tivo CEOs out there - what would you do?

    Having said all this someone please convince me I'm wrong

    :(
     
  12. Sep 18, 2006 #52 of 109
    Anndra

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    Am I correct in thinking that the only TiVo series 2's are those made and branded by other manufacturers? Sony TiVo, Humanx TiVo etc.?

    If so, who makes the Series 3? There doesn't seem to be any overt branding excepting TiVo's.
     
  13. Sep 18, 2006 #53 of 109
    cyril

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    Series 2 standalones were available both unbranded direct from TiVo and also branded by Sony,Humax etc., but the series 2 DVD units were all only branded -Toshiba and Panasonic I think.
    The HiDef and integrated DirectTV units were TiVo/DirecTV branded.

    Series 3 seems only to be self branded.
     
  14. Sep 19, 2006 #54 of 109
    ericd121

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    I, too, wonder why Tivo Inc. is wedded to the dedicated device.

    Admittedly, if they did release Tivo HomeBrew Edition, they'd have to support a more diverse selection of hardware and, I suppose, they'd have to run a Tivo Update server to farm out new drivers, but that could be invisible to the end user as it is now.

    It would be interesting to know how much hardware manufacturers pay for the software at the moment; I'd guess a lot less than Tivo Inc could sell it for as a download from their site.
     
  15. Sep 19, 2006 #55 of 109
    sellmynumber

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    Actually thats one rather good idea of the Tivo to nothave a display and for two reasons, 1/ My Tivo is in my bedroom, at night a display be irritating when you're trying to get to sleep and 2/ if i want to see what im doing the Tivo on screen graphics is plenty enough for me.
     
  16. Sep 21, 2006 #56 of 109
    Simon George

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    It is sad to report, that now I have my TV Drive for several months, I simply do not need Tivo anymore. One day recently I realised was not watching it. HDMI on TVDrive it just too good in comparison when watching on a projector (and that is exluding HD transmissions) .

    TV Drive for all its shortcomings and faults is just better to watch.

    I am thinking to transferring my Tivo to the loft where the guest free tv box is to be found. But for me it is the end of the affair.

    Unless Tivo are willing to re enter the market in the UK with series three or something like it, I can't see a way back. :(
     
  17. Sep 21, 2006 #57 of 109
    Pete77

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    Selling it on Ebay would be better for you financially and also more productive for the rest of us continuing Tivo fans who are more concerned about what we watch than out and out picture quality and are not willing to pay the large annual subs currently demanded to watch HDTV. If you put your Tivo in the loft for 10 years it will be no use for anything at the end of it.

    Do you have a Lifetime sub and/or expanded hard drive? A basic Tivo should sell on Ebay for over £100 and one with a lifetime sub for well over £200.

    Clearly everyone has their own priorities. Many others on here who have gone to Sky HD seem to report regretting their decision.
     
  18. Sep 21, 2006 #58 of 109
    Simon George

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    It never fails to amaze me how much picture quality does NOT matter to many if not most consumers. In fact I am beginning to wonder why the audio-visual industry is making a mistake with w/s and HD. You are not the first and will not be the last to phrase your thought in the way you just have.

    As to your implication that prefering a higher picture quality means not being concerned with content, that is just silly. I am concerned that whatever I choose to watch that it be of the best video and audio quaility one can (reasonably) afford.

    (An extra £10 per month on my cable bill in my case - not in any way "large", and a cheaper financing option than buying a series 3 tivo [if it were possible] over a 4 year timescale.)

    However your e-bay suggestion is a worth a big thankyou. :up:
     
  19. Sep 21, 2006 #59 of 109
    terryeden

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    Oh, totally! I'm amazed at the emporer's new clothes syndrome. Almost every time I go into a TV shop someone is fawning over a "HD Ready" display, with less resolution than standard PAL which is showing an svideo (or RF) feed of a terestrial channel with the wrong aspect ratio!

    Fact - people think bigger is better. Regardless of quality.

    I've got a 720p projector and a 92" screen (lucky me!). If I run a good DivX of, say 24 or the West Wing, I'm amazed at the clarity. I can count the stubble on Keifer Sutherland's chin (63,543,450 if you're interested).
    When I put on a well mastered DVD It stuns me to think that people are pushing for HiDef. I'd much rather have higher bit-rate than resolution.

    I'll accept that a well set up HD system will blow the pants off a well set up SD system. But a well set up SD system beats a poorly set up HD system . Sadly most companies have a vested interest in making their systems as hard to set up as possible.

    On to more interesting matters - can anyone help me with some TCL coding?

    T
     
  20. Sep 21, 2006 #60 of 109
    Pete77

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    I agree that if one is already paying £35 or more per month to Sky and whatever is the equvalent to NTL/Telewest for a sports and film package then £10 on top is not that big a proportionate increase, especially if you did not have a Tivo lifetime sub so would be saving the £10 monthly sub on that.

    However if like me and quite a few here one only has Freeview (or in my case Freesat and Freeview) then wanting HD would mean me paying around £500 a year or more in subs to the Murdoch empire I am not presently paying. £500 a year over 10 years is £5,000 and £5,000 invested on the stockmarket for 20 years can turn into some frighteningly large amounts of money if reasonably invested............. ;)

    So as long as you absolutely MUST have pay tv because you watch Premier football etc then I can see why it makes sense for you. But luckily as an F1 fan my favourite passion is free and I find there are more than enough movies on the Freeview/Freesat channels (especially now we have Film Four) to keep me happy.

    No need to thank me on the Ebaying of your redundant Tivo suggestion as its purely my own sorrow at the idea of a poor little Tivo sitting around doing nothing useful when it could be making someone very happy (what about a Christmas or birthday present for your mum or your brother or sister or whoever if you don't want to sell it on Ebay) that led to me suggesting it. Also the more Tivos go completely off line then the sooner may Tivo be inclined to think of finally pulling the plug on their UK EPG service.
     

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