Series 3 MRV- DEAD

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Marduk, Aug 1, 2007.

  1. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    I think OTA will be wide open once TiVo releases some TTG/MRV for the S3 line. TiVo has just been working out what to do with the cable part as well.

    marDuk - while Jim Denny surely spins the message his way and would only state things positive I doubt he would outright lie. So the statements on the specifics of how TTG/MRV will be applied can easily be construed as Tivo actively working on TTG/MRV design and development. BTW - yours is the first post I have seen with comments from a CSR on TTG/MRV for an S3


    PPS - my other post on dropping composite and svideo was sarcastic. I menat by it that actually those outputs will still be active for many years and any S2 box can use them to record digital cable from a cable box.
     
  2. jrm01

    jrm01 New Member

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    Glad to hear that. I too thought you were serious and I was ready to take your picture down from my mantle. ;)
     
  3. vstone

    vstone Active Member

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    Not even on those close to Canada and Mexico.?:p
     
  4. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    remember to vote early and vote often. What is good for me had better be good enough for you. :D
     
  5. MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

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    The copy restriction flag maybe?

    I don't dispute that there will be a lot of content that won't be allowed to be transfered, but I would think TiVo will be able to release TTG/MRV for content that isn't restricted (I think most OTA shows right now aren't restricted).
     
  6. Solver

    Solver New Member

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    Don't have much to say on this subject.
     
  7. TexasGrillChef

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    BUT NOT FOR HD (Hi-Def)... Thats the issue.... If it isn't for HD TV then when cable and OTA goes 100% Digital HD. Then MRV won't be around.

    THAT my friends is the point. MRV for SD is pointless. By 2012 there won't be any SD to MRV.

    TexasGrillCheef
     
  8. TexasGrillChef

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    No. I didn't say STB's were dropping SD outputs (composit or S-Video). And yes I am sure you could send a SD output of a STB to your Series 2 tivo.... Let me ask you this. How practical is that? If you weren't home and had multiple shows on multiple channels to record. Would the series 2 be able to change the channel on the STB?

    February 17th 2009 is the deadline for all digital OTA. That isn't changing. You willing to gamble 10 grand on it? I am! Except for the "spanish" OTA channels here in Dallas. Everyone here is allready ready to go for the deadline.

    TexasGrillChef
     
  9. TexasGrillChef

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    Sad to say, it isn't really about Cablelabs as many think. It's about the OTHER Content providers wanting to control HD content.

    Yes, legally we are allowed to record OTA. Many content providers are challenging the legality of MRV'ing OTA HD. Such as Universal (NBC) and Time Warner who owns Turner Broadcasting as well as Warner brothers. Who of course owns Time Warner Cable.... See where I am going with this?

    WE Should be able to MRV any dam thing we want. But we can't. Tivo is stuck in the middle. They don't have the resources to fight the big guys.

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  10. TexasGrillChef

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    That is the one MAIN reason why we are having so much issue getting MRV on DVR's that are capable of HD TV.

    Not much can be done about analog DVR's. Because now we are digital, its a 1000 times easier to CONTROL content.

    Getting MRV for analog DVR's is pointless. By 2012 Analog will be history. OTA or otherwise. And I am willing to put my money where my mouth is too! :)

    TexasGrillChef
     
  11. TexasGrillChef

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    Maybe so... but honestly how practical is that if you have 30 shows on 10 different channels over a week when your not home to control the STB or S2 box?

    TexasGrillChef
     
  12. TexasGrillChef

    TexasGrillChef New Member

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    Who knows what Canada or Mexico is doing or will be doing.

    If you can speak French or Spanish or want to watch their stuff. More power to ya!
    Then you have advantages the rest of us don't have.

    Hoewver, Dallas has 6 Spanish channels at last count, I think. I don't watch a single one of them.


    TexasGrillChef
     
  13. moyekj

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    You missed a key phrase in my post and the point others have tried to make: MRV will not be resolution restricted but rather copy-flag restricted according to Tivo execs. The implication is that BOTH unprotected HD & SD digital will be supported by MRV at least for Tivo's case. i.e. In most cases premium channels such as HBO, Cinemax no, non-premium channels (both SD and HD) yes.
     
  14. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    By FCC regulation the cable providers are allowed to mark anything not in the core basic tier as "Copy One Generation". The only thing that they're allowed to mark "Copy Never" is Pay-Per-View and pay-per-viewing-period Video On Demand). Anything in the core basic tier (the typically 20 or so channels that you get for the bottom-line price of basic cable) must be marked "Copy Freely"; any re-broadcast of local over-the-air channels on cable must be positioned in the core basic tier.
     
  15. sfhub

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    Umm, TiVo has been doing the channel changing using IR blaster since it first came out. Why are you asking if it is practical like it is some brand new concept?

    It's simpler if you use the internal tuner but the IR blaster works fine also.

    I used to record HD downconverted to SD using IR blaster and a Motorola DCT-5100 and it worked fine. I recorded around 18hrs per week using that method.
     
  16. d_anders

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    Is there is any official TiVo representation on this board anymore? TiVoPony, TiVoOpsMgr, anyone? What's going on? Who's representing TiVo on this board these days? Anyone?

    There was always a presence...in the past 6 months it's dropped signfiicantly.

    Where's the passion and initiative?
     
  17. moyekj

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    Exactly, which means at bare minimum all the SD & HD digital local channels will be Copy Freely and thus candidates for MRV (assuming our interpretation of what Tivo execs are saying holds). If you look at my headend spreadsheet in my sig I even mapped out my entire lineup of channels including CCI flag and you will note most non-premium/VOD/PPV channels are copy freely (CCI=0x0).
     
  18. aus1ander

    aus1ander New Member

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    Why can't they at least allow one-way MRV (ie, Series 2 --> Series 3) right now?
     
  19. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    You are kidding right? You do understand that TiVo has been able to reliably control/change channels on cable and satellite STBs (by itself) since the first TiVo came out.

    Thanks,
     
  20. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    yes I have noticed the drop off in their participation as well. I thought they would have come around for the TiVo HD anouncement at least.

    anyhow the passion and initiative is in all the recent releases from TiVo. We have seen many new features and 3 significant hardware releases in the past 2 years. The growth in value to me of my TiVos has been wonderful
     

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