Series 3 + FreeAgent Pro = no 9.4?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by AbMagFab, Aug 1, 2008.

  1. Aug 2, 2008 #21 of 189
    sbessel

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    Everything as in all settings and season passes, or just recordings?

    The 1tb model I have is a samsung 1tb, the one in my wifes is a Hitachi 1tb.

    Funny thing is my wife's got the update and now we are missing a bunch of cable card channels...

    so personally I thnk I will stay where I am, the feature list is way to small for such a big change.

    But my real question will 9.3 allow me to put in another drive that is not the TiVo blessed unit? I know when I did mine it was a limited window and a menu item that I could add, I know they took that out a while back, so I am concerned if I pull my FAP I would be locked into a TiVo blessed MyDVR 500g unit.
     
  2. Aug 2, 2008 #22 of 189
    Grey Griffin

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    I had a FAP hooked up and disconnected it yesterday. AFTER I disconnected and went back to single drive I received the message about it not being compatible. I found the timing rather amusing.

    My S3 had started freezing and rebooting the last two weeks and I'm pretty sure it was always shows that were on the external drive. I had a similar problem with a WD drive last year and it ended up frying the whole Tivo so I decided to disconnect before things got any worse.
     
  3. Aug 2, 2008 #23 of 189
    MJedi

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    So what is it about the FAP that makes it unreliable? And why would an Antec with the FAP's drive be better? Or what makes the My DVR Expander work best?
     
  4. Aug 2, 2008 #24 of 189
    greg_burns

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    From the TivoHD freeze thread...

    If the problem is the SATA controller on the FAP, it could make a difference. (Your Tivo would still think it is a FAP because it reads the drive's firmware info not the controller's.) I assume they will still push 9.4 to the FAPs anyways? :confused: If not, this won't get around the issue of being excluded. If you could do that, people would just buy the MyDVR Expander and throw in a 1TB drive... (to get Plug-N-Play on TivoHD's with bigger drives.)

    Nothing, other than it is the only one support with Plug-n-Play for TivoHD.
     
  5. Aug 2, 2008 #25 of 189
    ronr2006

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    What if I remove my FAP (that's working perfectly!), get 9.4, and then reconnect my FAP? Will 9.4 then not allow the FAP connection ? I realize that I'll loose everything.

    RR
     
  6. Aug 2, 2008 #26 of 189
    greg_burns

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    Honestly, I can't imagine they will not push 9.4 regardless. Is there a precedent to not receiving an update because of hardware? I seem to recall an issue with a usb adapter, but that was just until the problem was resolved software side.

    Edit: I see I didn't really address your question, which is a good one. Can you add a FAP to a 9.4 running S3 Tivo? IDK, but would guess not.
     
  7. Aug 2, 2008 #27 of 189
    n0pa

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    It doesn't bother me that they will not push 9.4. I think it's nice that they will allow us to run 9.3 because it work better. Most companies will just push the software and leave you to figure out the problem. After all it's easier for them to only have to support one version of the software.

    What does bother me is the fact they never told us. It would have been nice in the message they sent to say, "Because of this issue you will not receive 9.4 and later updates". Open communications is all I am asking for. I guess the message they did send is better then nothing at all.
     
  8. Aug 2, 2008 #28 of 189
    AbMagFab

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    The 9.4 switch has been flipped for everyone.

    Only people with a FAP on a S3 are unable to get 9.4 (unless they were in the beta testing group). Keep forcing dial-in, and no upgrade. Everything/everyone else should have 9.4 by now.

    Ergo, they aren't pushing 9.4 to FAP users. And the message they gave us all indicates such, but the empirical evidence is pretty definitive.
     
  9. Aug 2, 2008 #29 of 189
    greg_burns

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    Will just buying an Antec case be enough? Won't you have to also buy a new drive?

    Or I am mistaken?

     
  10. Aug 2, 2008 #30 of 189
    RouterGuy

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    Can I just take the drive out the FAP format it and reconnect it to the my S3 with another eSATA enclosure?

    Or is my only option to get the official Tivo eSATA drive?
     
  11. Aug 2, 2008 #31 of 189
    greg_burns

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    You most definately do NOT have to buy the official Tivo eSATA drive (if you don't want to). Especially, with an original S3 (not TivoHD).

    See my post right above. I think Tivo knows you have a FAP by the drive's firmware, not the enclosure. Reformatting will not change that.

    Your other option (if sticking with external drive) would buy a different enclosure (like the Antec MX-1) and a new drive. :( But that is just my speculation, I would wait for somebody to confirm.

    Another route, would be to buy a new drive and put THAT in your FAP's enclosure. That would probably fool your Tivo as well, but doesn't avoid the problems mentioned by TivoJerry and probably is asking for trouble.
     
  12. Aug 2, 2008 #32 of 189
    AbMagFab

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    New drives and an Antek. (In my earlier post I mentioned I already ordered two 1TB WD10EACS drives.)
     
  13. Aug 2, 2008 #33 of 189
    blacknoi

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    I do NOT like this precedent.

    Whats next, version 9.5 will exclude yet MORE hardware manufacturers of eSATA drives, presently allowed on S3s?

    The genie is being let out of the bottle.

    I really hope this is only temporary and Tivo programmers find a way to support FAP connected S3s for 9.4.

    Otherwise, I can forsee a slippery slope of the backdoor being closed 100% eventually to non-officially supported hardware.
     
  14. Aug 2, 2008 #34 of 189
    S3-2501

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    Does anyone think it's possible that Tivo is using this message to weed out any users who are currently having issues with the FAP? Maybe they want to wait and give some time for people already having problems to disconnect their drives before they roll out the new software and further complicate the isolation of future potentially unrelated issues.

    It'd be a shame if those of us who have kept our drives properly ventilated, connected with a quality cable and away from vibration, magnets or any other known causes of problems were denied the new software because of those who didn't take proper care of their drive. Maybe once Tivo monitors the numbers of FAP users for a while after the message they'll go ahead and give everyone who's kept their drive the new software.

    Just trying to think of something positive, as I currently have no plans on going through the cost and hassle of replacing my problem-free FAP unless Tivo officially states it is incompatible with 9.4 under all circumstances. And even then I may just stay on 9.3 for the foreseeable future.
     
  15. Aug 2, 2008 #35 of 189
    AbMagFab

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    I agree that this is the most likely scenario. But it ticks me off that they're doing this at all. It seems like people who have problems are people who would have problems with the official Tivo external drive. It's like we're all being punished for a few people's bad behavior.

    Anyway, it gives me an excuse to upgrade from 1.5TB to 2TB anyway, and from Seagate to the WD green drives (which I like a lot more).

    Of course, next time they'll say any non-Tivo external drive won't get the upgrade, right?!?
     
  16. Aug 2, 2008 #36 of 189
    bevansmd

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    I've had no problems with my series 3 with esata freeagent pro 750. Now I got warning from tivo re: problems. Still 9.3 software but had a lot of tiling and freezing on The Cleaner recording on nonhd A&E channel at midnight last night. This hasn't been a problem for me in the past. Has tivo set us up for problems because we didn't buy tivo sanctioned esata drives?
     
  17. Aug 2, 2008 #37 of 189
    greg_burns

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    How do you come to that conclusion based on what TivoJerry posted?
     
  18. Aug 3, 2008 #38 of 189
    ronr2006

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    I disconnect my FAP and let my S3 do its thing. It's working fine but now I can't get 9.4. I've done many many connects and no 9.4. Am I now blacklisted because I HAD a FAP... sheesh !

    RR
     
  19. Aug 3, 2008 #39 of 189
    masterwick

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    Interesting. Not a good sign. Keep us updated if your status changes.

    What is Tivo official take on the FAP+9.4? I see they aren't pushing/allowing 9.4 upgrade with FAP systems but I wonder if they are working on a solution or plan to push/allow 9.4+FAP.
     
  20. Aug 3, 2008 #40 of 189
    AbMagFab

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    Wow, but that makes sense. They probably registered your service number as one with a FAP, and not to get 9.4.

    Good news is if you have another TivoHD/S3 in the house, you can just backup/restore from that to get 9.4. Which it looks like I'll have to do.

    Have you tried calling them up to release your service number, telling them you removed your FAP? I'm sure it's something technical support can do, just like other scenarios when your Tivo can't get something like an update.
     

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