"Senior vs. Junior: American Chopper" (spoilers)

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  1. ahartman

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    The Faro bike was just sick. There was a flow to that bike that I haven't seen on any bike coming out of either shop in a long time. The paint job was silly good, too.

    I think the thing with Sr. is that once you say something enough times, it starts to become the truth to you. I think he really believes he's the victim in all of this.

    Lee is just a turd.
     
  2. WhiskeyTango

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    I wish Jr's business was further along. It would have been hilarious to see OCC foreclosed on, only to have Jr buy the building for PJD.
     
  3. EvilMidniteBombr

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    While it would be funny as hell, I doubt JR would do that. Just because he knows how much of a foolish investment it would be. What Sr. should do is auction off some of the more famous bikes and all the ones that he just has some sort of stupid attachment to. I'd bet that the Fire Bike would bring a buttload of cash at auction.


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  4. marksman

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    I am pretty sure Junior could build a new bike from scratch before Senior could change the oil on a bike.
     
  5. marksman

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    Jason is all about skulls these days... I assume giant boobed women will be all over the next few bikes too.

    There is no filter or governor on Jason's designs now and they are becoming more and more adolescent.
     
  6. gastrof

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    I'm watching one of the old reruns on DISCOVERY.

    Sr. and one of those fancy cars he bought.

    It won't start and he doesn't know where the battery is.
     
  7. bareyb

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    LOL! I was just coming in to mention I was watching the same episode. TiVo decided to record it for me. Gander Mountain right? Very surreal seeing Junior and Senior working together and going camping and fooling around. It's sad to think that was only 3 years ago considering all that's happened. :(
     
  8. gastrof

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    That's the same one where they had a terrible fight where Paulie swore that Senior was going to run OCC into the ground.

    Later, Senior was practically in tears (really) and said to Paulie 'We haven't fought like that in a long time, and I hate it'. They hugged, and even Jr. seemed on the verge of breaking down.

    I'd like to see the two of them tied to chairs and forced to watch that scene again and again until they both snap out of it...especially Senior, since after the firing he's the one that's seemed to want to keep stoking the fire.
     
  9. Dssturbo1

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    Sr just sold a 1960 Corvette and an OCC chopper he had built to match the Corvette at the recent Barrett Jackson auctions. The Corvette brought in ~$82,000 and the chopper ~$27,000 (then take off 10% auction fees).
     
  10. windracer

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    Ok, how funny was the role reversal with Jr. and Odie this week? Coming in late, mouthing off to the "old man", etc. Seem familiar? Gotta wonder if the producers were egging Odie on.
     
  11. DanB

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    I would certainly hope not. Also, I dont really see the comparison between father/son and boss/employee.

    Thats one of the big problems when you try to run a business with the employees as friends -- they usually end up blurring the lines between business and casual behavior.

    I'm surprised Jr didnt tell Odie to wait for him in his office, send him home, and to call Jr when Odie thinks he's decided to behave. Maybe his deadline played a major factor -- I certainly he has some reason to put up with it. Afterall, he showed his colors on that quad.

    Also, I wonder if OCCs painter/designer is still there.

    And that scene with OCCs lawyer was completely made up -- like OCC is going to make the decision not to pay their mortgage without first discussing it with Sr?
     
  12. ThreeSoFar'sBro

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    I read a report today online that OCC is trying to lower their $12M mortgage being that the building is worth no more than $8M.

    I wonder with all going on if Sr. is getting bad advice from some, or if he's on his own.

    Jr. is doing a good job keeping his cool. He's gone through a lot. I felt bad for him when Lee and Sr. were talking about Mikey and Sr. getting back together, with no mention of Jr.
     
  13. jordanbsbll21

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    There was no preview for next weeks show... There is going to be a show next week right!?
     
  14. jbernardis

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    I don't know what to think - the guide just has generic data, but I think there is supposed to be one more episode.
     
  15. Feb 1, 2011 #395 of 995
    modnar

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    I definitely see what you're saying and that was likely the intent of the producers in showing it this way, but there isn't a parallel between Odie's role at PJD and Paul Jr's role at OCC. As we've mentioned in this thread, that's the part Senior never seemed to understand: that Jr. was not there for labor. His designs were his value.

    This is also illustrated in Senior's process for finding someone to fill in for Jason to "design" a bike. He goes to his painter with no bike design experience and basically says, "he can paint, so he can design a bike." Take it a step further, and Jason has become the designer since Paul left. In Senior's mind, Jason can draw bikes on the computer, so he must also be able to design bikes.

    That bike, by the way, was just ugly. Some of the details, such as the vents painted on the sides of the tank, just looked horrible painted on. That seems like one of those areas where Junior would push to actually put metal on the bike and Senior would think it was a waste of time.

    And while the painter was totally out of line in arguing with Rick and thinking his design was the supreme-final-say, his tantrum helped highlight the fact that cutting corners by doing things like painting that side piece rather than actually cutting it out are really hurting OCC's designs.

    By the way, I was waiting for Junior to send Odie home for the day or something. Just based on what we saw, Junior was more patient with Odie than I would have been.
     
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    But, what's more interesting is how Jr reacted. He mouthed off a bit but then decided to ramp it down and figure out what the best solution might be instead of just yelling.
     
  17. Feb 1, 2011 #397 of 995
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    The scene was made up to explain a business decision. Now, personally, I think it sucks to screw the bank like that but it does happen all the time. Business gets to do refis if they get a lower value of the property. Now, normal folks get screwed. Sr talks all the time about honor and ethics but has no problems f'ing over the bank. Jackwad.
     
  18. Feb 1, 2011 #398 of 995
    bareyb

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    Odie, according to the Camera Crew is "a punk". He gives them a hard time too, so I don't think it was an act. I agree the proper thing to do would be to take him in the office and talk to him. He seems to think he has Jr. where he wants him right now, but I bet he'll be the first one out the door when he's no longer needed. ;)

    I absolutely HATED the bike OCC did this week for St. Judes. The tank just didn't do it for me on this one dawg. Too big. I liked how it looked from above, but from the sides, it was just too big for my taste. The cutouts could have offset that and painting them on was just lame. The Painter guy was absolutely right. It changed the whole character of the bike. Not sure how smart it was for him to say on camera that OCC cuts corners, but he's right. I bet he's getting his ass chewed about right now over what he said though... Maybe Sr. will sue him for slander... :p

    I felt bad for Joe. Getting sued sucks. Been on the wrong side of that one once and it makes for some sleepless nights believe me. Even if you know you're right... Sounds like Junior is stepping up with his own Attorney so I thought that was pretty cool. Senior is truly a bully. Suing someone is the modern day equivalent of sending over your hired goons to threaten your family. I think it sucks what he's doing and it's a huge waste of money... :thumbsdown:

    On the flipside, did you Paulies eyes light up when that client ordered TWO bikes. Paulie's last couple of bikes have been very nice looking and well propotioned in my opinion. I'm looking forward to seeing what he comes up with next. :)
     
  19. Feb 1, 2011 #399 of 995
    DanB

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    re OCCs bike. I just didnt see the connection on how it would appeal to sick kids. I was thinking make the gas tank be a fish tank or something. Make bubbles come out of the exhaust pipes :) . And kids like bright gaudy colors, not sure if the all metal theme is appropriate. Maybe its good I dont design bikes!

    As for Joe and the lawsuit,
    from other forums it sounds like OCCs lawsuit didnt gain any traction.

    As for the foreclosure, they are doing the same thing homeowners do -- the bank wont even negotiate with you until you have missed usually at least 3 payments. I do wonder though, with Jr being 20% owner, you'd think he would be kept informed of these things.
     
  20. Feb 1, 2011 #400 of 995
    modnar

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    Isn't this kind of thing part of the basis for his counter-suit?
     

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