"Senior vs. Junior: American Chopper" (spoilers)

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  1. Frylock

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    Sorry, but Sr knows HOW to build a bike. He sure does suck as design though. Jr knows how to design, but he can't build a bike. Vinnie was the fabricator and assembly back in the day. Jr was the one who did the designs that caught the eye of Discovery, definitely. But he doesn't have the mechanical skills Sr. or Vinnie have.
     
  2. IJustLikeTivo

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    That's just crap. Every time Sr tries to build a bike he messes it up. Last time he had trouble figuring out how to install the front end into the triple trees. He might have known some stuff but he long since forgot that stuff.

    Jr has help but trust me, he has to know how the parts work to do what he does. He has also spend a lot of time building bikes as well as designing them. There is a reason why Sr brought him on board and acting as a management trainee wasn't it.
     
  3. Gerryex

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    Absolutely correct! I've been watching this show for many years and Jr WAS the main designer of ALL of the bikes shown on TV. Did Jr get help from Jason? Yes, but Jr had the final word on the design. Did Sr make some suggestions? Sure, but unless Sr totally vetoed something, Jr made all the decisions on the design.

    Now, did Jr build the entire bike? Of course not! But did he build parts of them? Certainly! I've seen him build gas tanks, oil tanks, battery boxes, handle bars, etc. In fact I think I've seen him build almost all of the components of a bike. Did he do that all the time? No. Did the other fabricators, like Vinnie and Rick, do more of the work? Yes. But they did so at the direction of Jr.

    Lastly, was Jr's work ethic the same as Sr's? A very BIG NO!!! Jr did come in late too often. Jr spoke on his cell phone too often. Jr wasn't as organized as he should be. (In my opinion Sr was even LESS organized as Jr but was successful because he had a good office staff.) So, Sr did have some ligitimate beefs with Jr but I always thought Sr made WAY too much of a stink about them and all of those arguments were WAY over the top! Certainly Jr did not deserve to be fired.

    So, frankly I am very glad Jr is out on his own and hopefully will be VERY successful in his new business. And if OCC is no longer as successful as they once were, that would be OK with me!!!

    Gerry
     
  4. ursine1

    ursine1 That one guy

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    I find myself fast-forwarding thru any scene where Sr is on camera.

    Really glad Vinnie's back though!
     
  5. jbernardis

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    I'm glad Vinnie's back too, but I'd really like to see Rick at PJD.
     
  6. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Look for this to happen only after OCC declares bankruptsy and closes it's doors. I have a feeling Rickster is under contract with Sr.

    And unlike Jr. Rick can't afford to not work and wait out his contract.
     
  7. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    I'm guessing that Rick also has a "no compete" clause in his contract as well. I'll be surprised if he goes to work for PJD.
     
  8. jbernardis

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    Yeah - I didn't think it was a real possibility - just wishful thinking.
     
  9. windracer

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    Just got around to watching this ... a pretty interesting behind-the-scenes look. Those producers definitely have their work cut out for them.

    I guess that Christmas card/postcard thing at the end never made it into one of the aired episodes? I didn't remember seeing that before ...
     
  10. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    The Hairclub for Men OCC bike is probably the first post Jr. bike they have made that I actually liked. It really did look like a custom bike.
     
  11. IJustLikeTivo

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    Haven't watched yet. But I'm wondering how Sr will manage to get free hair plugs out of the deal. As vain as he is, it's gonna happen.
     
  12. nataylor

    nataylor Curiously Strong TCF Club

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    Mikey nailed it last night when he said Senior was doing stuff just to say "Hey, look at me... I'm an *******."

    He goes to Jason Poole's wedding but not his own sons' (plural there, since we learn Mikey was planning on getting married and Senior RSVP'd with a no).

    It was nice to see that look of shock on Senior's face when Quinn told him Faro was going with Junior. Interesting that they mentioned Joe's non-compete. Are they suing him, too?
     
  13. tripmac

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    I caught that about Joe's non-compete. I wonder how long it was and the timeframe. Did Joe get fired or laid off? Lot of questions there.

    That was about the only thing OCC I caught. I have now gotten to where when the OCC segments come up I begin my 30 sec skip and listen for a second and skip again.
     
  14. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    I think it was Steve (and where's he been?) who said a while back that they'd fired Joe.

    I suppose a contract could still require non-competition even if a person gets fired...
     
  15. ahartman

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    I felt the opposite - I didn't get the skull theme - yeah, one skull was bald, the other had hair, but for a shop that builds theme bikes, I didn't get the theme at all.

    I just can't wrap my head around everything Sr. is doing - whether it's intentional or not - that hurts his kids. Lawsuits are business I suppose, but hurtful actions just go beyond everything else.

    Paul Jr. was reading yet another lawsuit in the coming scenes, so I assume that's the lawsuit around Joe's non-compete.

    At this point, I'd rather the show just be about Jr. and his shop - OCC really doesn't add anything to the mix other than the ongoing battle with PJD.
     
  16. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I agree that the skulls didn't make much sense, but then again I was only talkign about the bike itself, not how well it fit the HCFM theme.
     
  17. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    They usually do, which is why they are compelte BS. Non-Competition contracts are almost always completely unilateral and there is absolutly no advantage to the employee signing one.

    I once was thinking about taking a job with a company and they said I would have to sign a non-compete. I refuse to sign one of those things. I just don't see how anything good can come from it to the employee.

    In many cases they are completely unenforceable too. It's just scare tactics, which is yet another reason I wouldn't want to work for a company that wants you to sign one for that reason.

    I can understand why high level execs and or someone with valuable knowledge to the company would need to sign one, however I woudl also expect that they are appropriately compensated for their importance, which is a two way agreement.
     
  18. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    Yep. He has already agreed to let them have at it. He said "go for it" in the last episode. I'm also pretty sure most of the bikes we see being built on OCC's side of things are getting their bikes built at least in part for trade. ;)

    I can't wait to watch senior go through the whole process... Apparently it's very painful and your scalp itches constantly while the new hair grows in. :p

    On another note, I think Mikey was over-reacting or perhaps just looking for something to complain about on TV. Senior had every right to attend Jason's wedding and in fact, with half the company there it was almost required. That's not to say he shouldn't have also attended Junior's wedding but I don't see him going to Jason's wedding just to spite Paulie. That's reaching.

    One thing I was encouraged about. Apparently Senior has been watching the show and is realizing the practical jokes need to stop until the lawsuit is over. I honestly think things might be ever so slightly turning around. I'd love to see Senior offer Junior something reasonable for his share of the company and drop the lawsuit. Of course, finding a number they both agree on isn't going to be easy.
     
  19. nataylor

    nataylor Curiously Strong TCF Club

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    Interesting that on the OCC web site there was a charity event listed on December 13th that involved a lot of the shop, including Senior, shaving their heads and facial hair.
     
  20. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    I wonder if Sr. set that up to hide his Hair Club treatments? As I understand it, all your new hairs fall out before they grow in permanently with the transplants. :p
     

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