SDV Tuning Adapter-Time Warner

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jsshattuck, Oct 17, 2008.

  1. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

    2,422
    5
    Jul 10, 2004
    San Diego,...

    Advertisements

    I don't think that anything definitive on the subject has been released since the discovery of this filing with the FCC describing it:
    TiVo helped the cable providers define and test the Tuning Adapter and have argued against the CE OEM's "Digital Cable Ready Plus" proposal--arguably, cable owes them :). They'd probably rather not have tru2way devices on the market with alternative UIs allowing access to downloadable and streaming video like TiVo, but if they tried to block it, people would just buy little standalone products like Roku's (which is apparently due to be updated to give access to other streaming video sources like Hulu).

    Hopefully, we'll hear something about this from TiVo at CES--it's been a little over a year since that filing.
     
  2. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

    6,933
    10
    Aug 31, 2003
    San...
    To me and others. To me, certainly. It is unacceptable that the CATV company can tell me which features I must have on a device I own. Under OCAP, the CATV company selects what software and what features will run on my device - including spyware if they so choose, and I cannot prevent them from doing so. The requirement that I approve any software and / or features and can block them if I so choose is essential. Under OCAP, the consumer also cannot choose to implement 3rd party software to enable any features. The requirement I be able to select whatever software maker I choose is also essential. I have no problem with the requirement a developer must meet certain specifications when developing for the platform, but any developer who wishes should be able to develop OCAP software.

    They are really not concerned overly much with the UI, per se. They just don't want to deal with the hassles (including security issues) of dealing with a myriad of different softwares, and they do not wish to place control of the attached system in the hands of the subscriber. Note their fears have a very substantial basis, but that's just tough. If they don't want to have to deal with the costs and problems of doing business, they should not be in business.

    I don't have a problem with the majority of what OCAP is or represents, but I draw the line when some company gets to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own equipment. It's bad enough they are nearly a monopoly. That they be Big Brother is too much.
     
  3. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

    6,933
    10
    Aug 31, 2003
    San...
    Which in turn means if they move any of these channels to SDV, then they must provide an STB for every user outlet. That's a very tall order.

    At this time there is also no reason to do so. Local broadcast channels are very popular, and there is no economic advantage to moving any popular channel to SDV. At this point in time, SDV does cost somewhat more to deploy than a linear channel. In time the differential in cost will become insignificant, but at this point in time it is not.

    First you say:

    Then you say:

    The two statements are mutually incompatible, given that 3 years ago was when the S3 was developed. SDV certainly did exist when the S3 was developed. The point, however, is that there was nothing TiVo could do about the fact.
     
  4. rgura

    rgura RobGTX

    69
    1
    Feb 20, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Probably not, I think its a different network. I recall that they merged operations Waco, Austin and SA a year or so ago to consolidate and save cash.

    I would go here and request the box through their website.
     
  5. rgura

    rgura RobGTX

    69
    1
    Feb 20, 2005
    Austin, TX

    Advertisements

    Ugh, I hope not. So far so goo after a day...I will post back in a few weeks to let you know how things are going. Any other commentary from Austin TWC SDV users?
     
  6. skaggs

    skaggs AlbanyHDTV

    271
    27
    Feb 13, 2003
    Albany, NY
    Here's the email I received from TWC on October 13, 2008:
    "...later THIS YEAR."

    Received from: tuningadapter@twcable.com

    Today is the last day of 2008. Still no Tuning Adapter for Albany TWC customers :mad:

    But, they were kind enough to add another SDV channel today...TV One-HD added at 1845. Also, a placeholder in the program guide for MLB Network on channel 621.
     
  7. Mindflux

    Mindflux TiVowned

    934
    0
    Jan 16, 2008
    Last night I was watching a SDV channel and poof, my video feed disappeared. I had to unplug the T.A power, plug it back in, unplug the usb, re-plug it back in. Got my standard video channels back while the T.A blinked stupidly for 15 minutes, once it went steady again the TiVo interrupted my show to let me know a tuning adapter had been plugged in (though I did it 15 minutes prior) and had my switched channels back.

    This is going to REALLY irritate me if I start programming my season passes for SDV channels and I don't get any of it because of this thing.

    I'm attempting to exchange the unit today because I've had so much trouble with it I don't see how it CANT be faulty.
     
  8. berkshires

    berkshires New Member

    463
    0
    Feb 22, 2007
    The email I got about 2 days ago (I'm in the Lee, MA area which is basically fed from Albany) said January.

    That is an interesting thought about reliability and trusting your recordings to the TA. I am getting to the point where I am dropping S2s and not making duplicate analog recordings with them to backup the CC based hi-def TiVos.

    Edit *it said January for many areas, but not specifically mine.
     
  9. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

    716
    33
    May 9, 2002
    Victor, NY
    My Tuning Adapter finally arrived on the 30th (I was notified on the 17th it would be shipped, apparently slowly).

    It was up and running very quickly -- once I got a "ready" state but no SDV channels I called TW Rochester, they tickled it, and in moments all the channels were working.

    It is remarkably seamless -- I used fixed 1080i output, which is fast for channel changes, and there is almost no perceptible additional delay on SDV channels.

    It's so nice to have both TiVo and all available channels.
     
  10. dotBob

    dotBob New Member

    10
    0
    Dec 22, 2008
    Greensboro, NC
    Just an FYI, I also received an email from TWC stating the TAs should be shipped in January. I'm in Greensboro, NC.
     
  11. gbronzer

    gbronzer New Member

    29
    0
    May 19, 2006
    Huntersville...
    Let us know when you actually recieve it. I'm in Charlotte and haven't heard anything since I signed up for an adaptor.
     
  12. Xab

    Xab Member

    116
    1
    May 21, 2004
    Columbus, Ohio
    Ditto, I'm in Columbus, OH and I signed up for the Tuning Adapter pre-order form, got an email on the 30th that said they should be deployed in remaining areas in January. Really hope that works out, I would love to actually get FX HD and USA HD.
     
  13. Jan 1, 2009 #333 of 759
    berkshires

    berkshires New Member

    463
    0
    Feb 22, 2007
    CableCARDs get hit, so cable is really trying to change its image these days. :)
     
  14. Jan 1, 2009 #334 of 759
    c615586

    c615586 New Member

    22
    0
    Feb 14, 2008
    Columbus, OH
    I'm here in the Columbus, OH area and have signed up at least three different times, and have not received any word on the SDV adapter. Customer Service gets a call tomorrow....
     
  15. Jan 1, 2009 #335 of 759
    cramer

    cramer Member

    430
    0
    Aug 14, 2000
    Raleigh,...
    Not at all. I suspect many cable companies would love the idea since it means more STB rentals.

    You are confusing "developed" and "on the market". The series 3 tivo was designed long before it was available at Best Buy. It had to pass Cable Labs first, which took a Very. Long. Time. Even if SDV was in the field when Tivo sat down to design a cable card tivo, there were no standards or possible certifications for anything but a unidirectional device; so they could not support SDV at all. (which is why no tivo has an RF transmitter in it at all.)

    (There was a prototype on display at CES in 2005 -- in a S2 case. So it was designed over 4 years ago. The final version of the S3 was shown in 2006 but was still waiting for CL certification to actually go on sale.)
     
  16. Jan 2, 2009 #336 of 759
    c615586

    c615586 New Member

    22
    0
    Feb 14, 2008
    Columbus, OH
    I just talked to a CSR (who is Wisconsin) who had absolutely no idea what I was talking about. Her supervisor (whom I did not speak to) also had no information beyond the usual online form application.

    Looks like I'm going to be talking to WOW about their service today....
     
  17. Jan 2, 2009 #337 of 759
    y2kse

    y2kse New Member

    4
    0
    Aug 3, 2007
    I'm in Marysville and haven't heard a thing, either.
     
  18. Jan 2, 2009 #338 of 759
    FrancesTheMute

    FrancesTheMute Resident Nihilist

    91
    0
    Sep 16, 2005
    Minneapolis, MN
    Anyone in San Diego heard from TWC yet about the TA deployment?
     
  19. Jan 2, 2009 #339 of 759
    shaun-ohio

    shaun-ohio shaun

    101
    0
    Jun 20, 2003
    zanesville,...
    well here is the deal i got today, when i called timewarner, the csr knew what i meant when i said tuning adapter for the tivo, he even said he is waiting on one too, so i told him that i wanted to file a complaint, about paying for the channels every month especially the new hd channels and digital channels they add, that i cant get without a tuning adapter, so he said they are giving customers 2 options until the tuning adapters become available, 1st choice was free hd cable box for a year, but i said yeah i got one but it does me no good, because you cant record on it, then the second option was, exchange the hd cable box, for there hd dvr and no cost for the dvr or dvr fees for 6 months, so i took the dvr until the tuning adapters come available, at least i get the new hd and digital channels they have added until the tuning adapter becomes available, and can record them now, so others should try calling time warner each month and see what they offer them.
     
  20. Jan 2, 2009 #340 of 759
    billdav

    billdav New Member

    13
    0
    Dec 14, 2008
    San Diego,...
    Supposedly we should be seeing them in late January. Of course, given their track record, I have no doubt that it will require waiting 4 hours for a tech to come out just to to plug in the cables and call it in to be enabled. :thumbsdown:
     

Share This Page

spam firewall

Advertisements