SDV Tuning Adapter-Time Warner

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jsshattuck, Oct 17, 2008.

  1. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    While true it is a loophole for UDCPs, it is decidedly a different matter for basic service channels and even moreso for local broadcast channels. UDCPs are a bit of a gray area, but local must-carry channels are absolutely not. This is pretty much black-letter law. Any franchise who puts local channels exclusively on any digital channel - let alone an SDV channel, had better be prepared either to deliver free STBs for every outlet for each and every subscriber in an ungodly hurry, or they had better be prepared to get hit with huge fines. SDV on locals is definitely a no-no. Mike Scott was just being diplomatic.

    Oh, and it hasn't been "years". Very few CATV systems have had a widespread deployment of SDV for more than a year.
     
  2. KeithB

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    Glad you interpreted the smiley as intended. :)
     
  3. Mindflux

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    Anyone having problems today? I can't tune in any HD channels at all.
     
  4. shaun-ohio

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    yeah i cant believe that they took my cw channel on the standard lineup, and they changed the pbs hd to channel 707 and still cant get it without a tuning adapter, every new channel including the digital ones and the hd channels they add now, i cant get, i am ready to go back to dtv, i was so mad the other day before i took there wonderful dvr back, that i was going to take there cable cards out of there dvr, and put them in the tivo to see if they worked, because if you cant get them to come in on there dvr all they do is reset the box and put in the codes on the comp. and they are now talking about changing foxhd and cwhd to channel 708 and 713, if i lose these 2 i will really be p.......
     
  5. drumdude

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    It's obvious that TWC has decided to make life as difficult as possible for Tivo HD customers. That's why they're so slow deploying the TA's. I blame Tivo for not working all this out with the cable companies before selling the product. Instead Tivo relied on the FCC to force cable companies to comply and now TWC is taking it out on Tivo users by making our lives difficult. I invested $1000 (3 Tivo HDs) in useless equipment. I should have stayed with my Series 2 DirecTV Tivos. Either way I STILL have no HD channels. I've lost a lot of respect for both companies (Tivo and TWC).
     
  6. Mindflux

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    So sell your Series 3's at a loss and go back to DirecTV. Buying the TiVo's you KNEW that SDV wasn't an option without an adapter yet you bought them anyway. Do you really expect a cable company to be fast in giving away adapters so the 1% of the users on their system can get SDV? Nope, no rush by them. We're a small fraction of their business.
     
  7. drumdude

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    I bought these Tivo HDs over a year ago so I didn't know SDV would be depoyed. Why does there always have to be a smart alec who doesn't know as much as he thinks?
     
  8. Mindflux

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    Don't know as much as I think I know? Maybe so, but I'm not the one whining about a lack of a tuning adapter. Do I think they should be necessary? No. I think that TiVo should have a Series 3.5 with a built in T.A until True2Way gets here.

    SDV isn't *MUCH* different from On Demand, and you knew you couldn't get that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where the Cable Companies are headed from there.

    I wish TiVo could get some more companies under their belt to just offer the TiVo software/programming to other providers so their market share could grow but I guess most folks are perfectly happy with the SARA Software that comes on Sci Atl boxes.
     
  9. mikeyts

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    Not possible. The TAs have to match the proprietary technology of the network they're operating on--Cisco TAs on Cisco networks and Moto TAs on Moto networks. It also requires bidirectional comm (one of the biggest things the TAs can do is talk back to the network) and that comes part and parcel with tru2way. CableLabs will not certify a box with bidirectional comm that doesn't also implement OCAP.

    Sit back, get comforable and wait. It shouldn't be too long before tru2way stuff hits and market and any interrim tech would require a wasted effort from the "standards" organization that would take much longer.
     
  10. rgura

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  11. Mindflux

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    Wait until you restart your TiVo and your T.A doesn't come back up. You'll be pleased as peas in a pod after that. :D It's a twice or more a week fight for me lately.
     
  12. lrhorer

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    'Far less than 1%. It's more like 0.05%. There are something like 60 million CATV subscribers, and something like 300,000 have Series III class TiVos.
     
  13. lrhorer

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    It was no secret. A little research would have informed you of the fact.
     
  14. lrhorer

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    Technologically, it isn't different at all. The only differences are with VOD, the CATV system allows the user to initiate the stream, and usually only the user who initiated the stream is authorized to receive it. With standard scheduled SDV, the stream is initiated by someone further up the line - either the broadcaster or the CATV company themselves.
     
  15. lrhorer

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    The problem is, OCAP - and consequently tru2way - is unacceptable.
     
  16. Raygun

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    Hey, I wonder if TW would let me pick up a SDV tuner in Austin even though I live in San Antonio? :confused:
     
  17. mikeyts

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    "Unacceptable" to who? It sucks in that it's mainly an attempt by the cable providers to coopt the user interface through which we deal with cable television, but it's pretty much a fait accompli. Most of the major CE OEMs have bought in and the "DCR Plus" initiative is dead.
     
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    The letter of the law only says they have to be unencrypted and available to the basic tier. It says nothing about SDV or what may be required to actually receive them. They are perfectly free to make every channel SDV -- however, no one has as yet because they don't want to give the FCC a reason make new regulations.

    Remove the word "widespread"... TWC in Raleigh NC has had SDV equipment for 3+ years. If the FCC hadn't (allegedly) threatened to fine them and customers complained, every channel would have been SDV two years ago.

    How exactly can this be Tivo's fault? When they designed the systems, SDV didn't exist. Furthermore, there were no standards or certification path for bidirectional cable systems; a "UDCP" was all there was. They built systems to the documented and certified standards. It's not their fault the cable companies want to change the standards AGAIN, or that they have made and deployed technology incompatible with the published standards. In fact, it's the FCC's integration ban forcing cable companies to use CC's themselves and allow 3rd party, non-cable company receivers that has them steaming, and scheming to find ways to make 3rd party equipment useless, and make the CC experience so bad everyone turns on the FCC for mandating this "crap" -- except it's the cable industry that designed it in the first place, and the receivers from your cable company that use a cablecard work perfectly and never have any of the "issues" 3rd party devices have, and don't require a $50 truck roll to have it installed.
     
  19. f0gax

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    Just received this in today:

    Fellow San Antonions (?)... enjoy further lack of channels.
     
  20. CharlesH

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    What is the status of the "dual mode" proposal from TiVo (run MSO's UI for VOD, PPV, and other interactive features, but use TiVo UI for current non-interactive features), a.k.a Series 4?
     

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