SDV Adapter Progress

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by britdiver, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002


    it gets more complex becasue sony apparently got the same or different changes made for their agreement with cable.

    I'm not sure if the standards themselves got changed or merely the cable people came to an agreement with tivo and now sony not to use them in a manner to be a major pain in the butt to CE people.

    would be nice if there was a PUBLIC document outlining what the new agreement(s) is(are) specifically. (or "clarifications"...) Maybe the FCC will demand it?
  2. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    press release about the sony agreement:

  3. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    would be nice to actually be able to read it somplace...

    Do I remember correctly that the original one way cablecard specs started out as an MOU between the CEA and NCTA and the FCC later blessed it to become the basis of the current regulations? I think that's how that went down and so now maybe this new MOU will become teh basis for new 2-way regulations?
  4. cramer

    cramer Member

    Aug 14, 2000
    It all comes down to what Cable Labs will certify. Without this "MOU", the only thing anyone can make is a pure OCAP device. It sounds like they've come to an understanding whereby Tivo can make a box with a transmitter in it that still runs the standard tivo interface everyone loves -- I assume that means that interface will not be allowed to use the transmitter (for anything but SDV?)

    But until Cable Labs publishes revised standards or additional docs, no one knows. At any rate, it makes no difference to existing tivo's.
  5. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003


    I have, thanks. I also understand them.

    ...and since Java is not an OS, and OCAP is middleware, it needn't impact the UI, and indeed can't to any significant great fundamental extent. Now, mind you, what CableLabs will certify or refuse to certify is another matter, but the whole point of having OCAP in the first place is to allow the 3rd party OS to interact with the CATV company's OS. Any functions required by the CATV OS are relayed to the 3rd party OS and moderate the interface (typically by adding menus) to the 3rd party UI. The way TiVo is proposing to implement this is to create two independant UIs, one for TiVo mode and one for On Demand mode.

    There is simply no way the OCAP agent could know about or interface directly with every piece of hardware out there, and it's only going to be able to worry about 2-way interactivity with the CATV company. The TV, OTOH, may have a web interface, an AVR interface, OSD for all sorts of functions, bells and whistles, multiple PIP, as many as a dozen or more inputs, card readers, USB interfaces, various OTA capabilities, you name it. It could even be - gasp - a DVR.

    'Only for the OCAP interface, and even that is renderd by the local OS, not by the OCAP software.

    Yes, they have.

    Try a bit more research. I suggest starting with the definition of "middleware".

    Which proves my point, partially. The Comcast TiVo isn't a "real" TiVo for two reasons. The first is TiVo modified their software to meet Comcast's requirements. The second, more fundamental reason, however, is that the Comcast TiVo doesn't have the same hardware the "real" TiVo does, and so it can't use precisely the same software.
  6. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    Yes. The TiVo UI/software will not be able to access two-way except for SDV. It will have to switch to the Tru2Way mode to get that.
  7. skaggs

    skaggs AlbanyHDTV

    Feb 13, 2003
    Albany, NY
    So the 2Q of 2008 is coming to a close in 3 days and no release of the tuning adapter.

    It's so frustrating not being able to record all 60+ of the HD channels available from TWC.
  8. bferrell

    bferrell Now in HD!

    Jun 22, 2005
    Cincinnati, OH
    Depends, my company is on a June-July business cycle, so Q12008 is just about to start for us...

    My tongue is in cheek.... no flames please...
  9. ASW

    ASW Member

    Jan 18, 2007
    I believe the "Cert Wave 60" certification meetings for CableLabs to certify the tuning adapters by Cisco and Motorola were just this week, so I would think July or August for availability is more realistic.
  10. George Cifranci

    George Cifranci TiVo Bolt 500GB - TE4 UI

    Jan 30, 2003
    Fortunately for us in Time Warner Columbus Ohio area they haven't gone to switched digital yet. Hopefully the tuner will be released around the same time we go SDV. Here is the current HD lineup we have...

    700 HBO HDTV
    701 Showtime HD
    704 WCMH HD Columbus, OH (NBC)
    706 WSYX HD Columbus, Ohio (ABC)
    710 WBNS HD Columbus, Ohio
    728 WTTE HD Columbus, OH (Fox)
    734 WOSU HD Columbus, OH (PBSHD)
    746 WWHO 46 HD Chillicothe, OH (CW)
    750 HD Theater
    751 TNT in HD
    752 Sports Time Ohio HD
    753 FSN Ohio HD
    754 Versus/Golf Channel HD
    759 TBS in HD
    761 National Geographic HD
    766 A&E High Definition
    768 HGTV HD
    775 MOJO
    777 HDNet
    778 HDNET Movies
    780 Universal HD
    785 ESPN-HD
    786 ESPN2-HD
  11. m_jonis

    m_jonis Member

    Jan 3, 2002
    Albany, NY
    I think Comcast said sometime in October, so my guess is October or later (knowing our local TW Albany, it'll be "later").
  12. ASW

    ASW Member

    Jan 18, 2007
    I was not aware Comcast has given any timing for a tuning adapter ( I didn't know they had even committed to going SDV at this point other than in a couple of test markets). Cox has said "later this year." I guess when it is available it will be available.
  13. ASW

    ASW Member

    Jan 18, 2007
    Looks like TW will be offering tuning adapters free also -

    "We expect to be able to offer Tuning Adapters to customers with compatible UDCPs later this year. At that time we will provide you with additional information on availability and device compatibility. It is currently contemplated that the Tuning Adapter will be provided at no additional charge. Until the Tuning Adapter becomes available, however, a Time Warner Cable digital cable set-top box will be required to view channels migrated to SDV – even if you own a Tuning Adapter-compatible UDCP. In addition, certain non-TiVo UDCP models may not work with the Tuning Adapter."

    Since this letter suggests the TW SDV switch will take place 8/20/08, it also appears TW does not expect to have tuning adapters available before 8/20.
  14. Jul 1, 2008 #174 of 290

    thehepcat Member

    Jan 9, 2002
    It is extremely frustrating to call TW and have to talk to three different people before you get one that even knows what a tuning adapter is.
  15. Jul 1, 2008 #175 of 290

    poma3 New Member

    Nov 16, 2006
    Kenosha, WI
    I received the dreaded TWC letter today letting me know that 54 of my channels will soon be SDV (surprisingly they don't list Bravo...the only channel so far already being broadcast in SDV...but, I digress). The interesting part is the comment about the cost of the tuning adapter (which will be available "later this year")...the letter reads; "it is currently contemplated that the Tuning Adapter will be provided at no additional charge" - you heard charge!

    Maybe someone inside the Death Star does have a heart!
  16. Jul 7, 2008 #176 of 290

    bitbanger New Member

    May 12, 2008
    An extremely non-committal response, with regard to both availability and schedule:

    "Thank you for writing Time Warner Cable. As noted in the link you provided, a Tuning Adapter is a device that allows cable card devices to work with SDV (Switched Digital Video) technology. Currently, the first generation of these devices is still being tested. Also, launches of new equipment often come with supply bottlenecks that can delay initial availability. As there is no set timeframe for that testing to be completed, and there is no way of forseeing what other issues might arise prior to the formal launch of this new technology, I am unable to provide you with a specific launch date within our division of the company. Please know that we are very aware of Tuning Adapters and look forward to offering them."
  17. Jul 8, 2008 #177 of 290

    Kablemodem Get the ketchup.

    May 26, 2001
    I received a letter from TWC today asking me to complete a postcard or call them with the pairing data for my CableCARDS. How they don't have this info is beyond me, but I wonder if it is in preparation for distributing tuning adapters. We don't have SDV here yet, so maybe not. Could they actually be planning to implement SDV and sending out tuning adapters at the same time?
  18. Jul 9, 2008 #178 of 290

    Scopeman 2 x Basic Roamio

    Oct 22, 2002
    Central Texas
    I was called by the folks at TWC last week about SDV Tuning Adapter. They asked for permission to pass my contact info to Tivo for inclusion in a beta test of the adapter that is starting next week.

    This is good news - seems like we're getting closer to widespread availability.

    I'll post any more info I get (although once the beta gear arrives I expect I;ll have to agree to another NDA).

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