SDV Adapter Progress

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by britdiver, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. btwyx

    btwyx Substantive Member

    Jan 16, 2003


    That's interesting.
  2. noname_com

    noname_com New Member

    Nov 30, 2007
    Here is the email I rec'd from tivo yesterday

    Dear Valued Customer,

    Your friends at TiVo want to inform you about some changes in digital cable that could affect your TV viewing experience. Some cable operators are in the process of introducing a technology called Switched Digital Video (SDV). You may be made aware of this technology in the context of your provider informing you about the migration of certain lesser viewed existing channels or the introduction of new channels using SDV.

    Unfortunately, today's CableCARD devices including the TiVo HD and Series3 DVRs do not currently support SDV, but the good news is that TiVo is working with cable operators to develop the Tuning Adapter, a solution that is currently being tested by your cable provider and will be available in the near term.

    The Tuning Adapter will enable you to access the full spectrum of HD channels that the cable provider offers and should be made available by your local cable provider later this year. Although the majority of cable customers currently are not affected by switched digital services, we will continue to work with the cable industry to try to minimize the impact to subscribers that are inconvenienced.

    We will keep you posted on developments as they occur and we greatly appreciate your patience during this transition.

    The TiVo Product Development Team

    PS. For further information please visit
  3. Jun 1, 2008 #123 of 290

    kloarizona New Member

    Jun 1, 2008
    Here are the last four sentences in a letter I received yesterday from Cox (Arizona/Phoenix) announcing SDV starting on July 1, 2008:

    "Availability of the Tuning Adapter is expected later this year. At that time additional information will be sent to you. The Tuning Adapter will be provided by Cox at no charge. In the interim, continued access to channels delivered via SDV is available with a Cox digital set top receiver."

    First confirmation I've seen that at least one company will NOT charge for the adapter.

    By the way, the channels listed as going to SDV are SD channels, mostly in the 100 (entertainment and sports tier), 400 (Spanish) and 800 (public safety) channel ranges. (There are a few HD channels that are already SDV).
  4. Jun 1, 2008 #124 of 290

    jhimmel Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    If they actually do not charge, I would say there are some serious apologies due around here. Some posters were literally laughed at by some members here for suggesting that it MAY be offered at little or no cost to the subscriber.


    Well... Guess we will see how this plays out soon enough...
  5. Jun 1, 2008 #125 of 290

    jebbbz Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    35th and...


    I got the same letter and would note that as an interim solution Cox is offering an HD STB for six months at the same fee, $2.00/month, that they charge for a cablecard (the normal monthly fee for such an STB is $12.00). Of course, Cox is also rolling out On Demand programming so the six month offer may also be intended to hook people on VoD but that is OK with me. Let us hope there is no "installation" fee for the TA as it sgould be merely plug and play as it contains no security hardware.

    In all, Cox here in Phoenix seems to be embracing TiVo.
  6. Jun 1, 2008 #126 of 290

    Rolow Member

    Jun 1, 2004
    Where are you guys getting cox phoenix SDV information? Is there a web site or something? Or are you getting it all directly from cox? What channels are currently SDV?
  7. Jun 1, 2008 #127 of 290

    jkovach TiVoing since 1999!

    Feb 17, 2000
    Gilbert, AZ USA
    Oh? What channels would those be?
  8. Jun 1, 2008 #128 of 290

    jebbbz Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    35th and...
    Cox has sent out a couple of letters, one about On Demand and the other about SDV. I couldn't find any info on the website and was too lazy to type out the SDV channels by hand. Fortunately, jkovach (Jeff), over in another forum did the work for us. SDV in Phoenix starting July 1:

    109 Cox Real Estate 2
    110 Daystar
    112 INSP
    113 EWTN
    114 BYU-TV
    125 C-SPAN 2
    126 C-SPAN 3
    133 DIY
    144 Fox Reality Channel
    155 BET Jazz
    156 Great American Country
    157 Fuse
    158 G4
    159 Logo
    163 Fit TV
    170 Fox College Sports Atlantic
    172 Fox College Sports Pacific
    173 Fuel
    405 TV Chile
    410 De Pelicula
    411 De Pelicula Clasico
    412 CineLatino
    413 VeneMovies
    417 History en Espanol
    418 Discovery en Espanol
    422 Discovery Familia
    423 TOON Disney en Espanol
    424 Boomerang en Espanol
    425 Sorpresa
    430 MTV Tres
    432 Bandamax
    433 VideoRola
    434 mun2
    438 ESPN Deportes
    439 Fox Sports en Espanol
    440 GoITV
    444 CNN en Espanol
    445 Canal Sur
    449 EWTN Espanol
    500 iNDEMAND Previews
    601-606 ESPN Game Plan / ESPN Full Court
    650 NBA League Pass Preview
    651-659 NBA League Pass / MLS Direct Kick
    671-684 MLB Extra Innings / NHL Center Ice
    840 Public Safety
    850 Public Safety
    851 Public Safety
    853 Public Safety
    854 Public Safety
    856 Public Safety
    857 Public Safety

    Nothing important for me so the TA is not yet a priority for me.

    (If you read this, thanks, Jeff.)
  9. Jun 1, 2008 #129 of 290

    raaikin New Member

    May 30, 2008
    Does a standard pair of "rabbit ears" work? or is there a special Antenna for getting the HD channels? (stuff with decimals or dashes in the channel number)
  10. Jun 1, 2008 #130 of 290

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    No special Antenna for HD/digital OTA - uses the same antennas as analog OTA - if rabbit ears will work or not simple depends on where you live. I need a large roof antenna where I live.

    Most digital channels are currently broadcasting on UHF so some people will try to sell you a UHF only antenna and claim it is a special "HD" Antenna - I recommend you get a combo VHF/UHF one instead once the analog channels go dark more broadcasters will be using VHF for digital broadcast.

    Good Luck,
  11. Jun 1, 2008 #131 of 290

    kloarizona New Member

    Jun 1, 2008
    I stand corrected, your question led me to recheck several HD Channels I had not been receiving (TBS and FSNAZ, in particular) and it was a settings problem on my Series 3 rather than SDV. So all the channels moving to SDV on July 1 appear SD and it looks like we will not lose any HD for the moment. Must say, that makes the timing of adapter availability considerably less important...

    Kevin Olson
  12. Jun 2, 2008 #132 of 290

    JWThiers Smartypants

    Apr 12, 2005
    Cocoa, Florida
    Just kind of interesting that they would put public safety on an SDV channel. One would think that kind of thing (Public Safety, Goverenment access, Local analog Chanels, etc) is put someplace that EVERYONE can get (including those that just use the analog cable channels that every cable ready set can get. NOT on something that requires a special box. Of course it would depend on what one call Public Safety.
  13. Jun 2, 2008 #133 of 290

    cableguy763 New Member

    Oct 29, 2006
    The public safety channels probably are still available on analog. Cablecards will be pointed to the analog source. Boxes will just get the digital simulcast version via sdv.
  14. Jun 3, 2008 #134 of 290

    dougdingle HD Tech

    Jul 4, 2007
    West Coast
    So once this two-way communication actually gets implemented, what sort of RF amplifier will be needed to support it?

    I currently have a decent Weingard "cable signal level" amp to feed the four sets I have, but it most certainly does not allow anything to flow upstream (it's around 10 years old).
  15. Jun 3, 2008 #135 of 290

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004
    so no SDV adapter info lately?
  16. Jun 3, 2008 #136 of 290

    vman41 Omega Consumer

    Jun 18, 2002
    The counter argument is that every little jurisdiction within a cable network now gets it's own government channel where before they couldn't spare the the bandwidth.
  17. Jun 3, 2008 #137 of 290

    ah30k Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    PEGs can get inserted very close to the edge nodes so there is no problem there. It is not like the whole Comcast footprint must share the same PEGs. I'm more inclined to agree with the poster that said the analog versions are still available so might as well make the digital versions SDV.
  18. Jun 3, 2008 #138 of 290

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

    Feb 5, 2001
    They're going all digital pretty soon, so it doesn't really matter about analog.
  19. Jun 3, 2008 #139 of 290

    cableguy763 New Member

    Oct 29, 2006
    If you count 2012 as pretty soon, that is true. Most cable co's have local carriage agreements that require them to carry local pegs in analog in the basic tier. If they have a fully digital simulcast lineup, putting the pegs in switched is idea since those are very rarely watched.
  20. Jun 3, 2008 #140 of 290

    JimboG Member

    May 27, 2007
    San Diego, CA
    Very rarely watched? Why the PEGs are the reason I pay my cable bill (and local franchise fee)!:p

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