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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by britdiver, Apr 14, 2008.
Here is the email I rec'd from tivo yesterday
Dear Valued Customer,
Your friends at TiVo want to inform you about some changes in digital cable that could affect your TV viewing experience. Some cable operators are in the process of introducing a technology called Switched Digital Video (SDV). You may be made aware of this technology in the context of your provider informing you about the migration of certain lesser viewed existing channels or the introduction of new channels using SDV.
Unfortunately, today's CableCARD devices including the TiVo HD and Series3 DVRs do not currently support SDV, but the good news is that TiVo is working with cable operators to develop the Tuning Adapter, a solution that is currently being tested by your cable provider and will be available in the near term.
The Tuning Adapter will enable you to access the full spectrum of HD channels that the cable provider offers and should be made available by your local cable provider later this year. Although the majority of cable customers currently are not affected by switched digital services, we will continue to work with the cable industry to try to minimize the impact to subscribers that are inconvenienced.
We will keep you posted on developments as they occur and we greatly appreciate your patience during this transition.
The TiVo Product Development Team
PS. For further information please visit www.tivo.com/switched.
Here are the last four sentences in a letter I received yesterday from Cox (Arizona/Phoenix) announcing SDV starting on July 1, 2008:
"Availability of the Tuning Adapter is expected later this year. At that time additional information will be sent to you. The Tuning Adapter will be provided by Cox at no charge. In the interim, continued access to channels delivered via SDV is available with a Cox digital set top receiver."
First confirmation I've seen that at least one company will NOT charge for the adapter.
By the way, the channels listed as going to SDV are SD channels, mostly in the 100 (entertainment and sports tier), 400 (Spanish) and 800 (public safety) channel ranges. (There are a few HD channels that are already SDV).
If they actually do not charge, I would say there are some serious apologies due around here. Some posters were literally laughed at by some members here for suggesting that it MAY be offered at little or no cost to the subscriber.
Well... Guess we will see how this plays out soon enough...
I got the same letter and would note that as an interim solution Cox is offering an HD STB for six months at the same fee, $2.00/month, that they charge for a cablecard (the normal monthly fee for such an STB is $12.00). Of course, Cox is also rolling out On Demand programming so the six month offer may also be intended to hook people on VoD but that is OK with me. Let us hope there is no "installation" fee for the TA as it sgould be merely plug and play as it contains no security hardware.
In all, Cox here in Phoenix seems to be embracing TiVo.
Where are you guys getting cox phoenix SDV information? Is there a web site or something? Or are you getting it all directly from cox? What channels are currently SDV?
Oh? What channels would those be?
Cox has sent out a couple of letters, one about On Demand and the other about SDV. I couldn't find any info on the website and was too lazy to type out the SDV channels by hand. Fortunately, jkovach (Jeff), over in another forum did the work for us. SDV in Phoenix starting July 1:
109 Cox Real Estate 2
125 C-SPAN 2
126 C-SPAN 3
144 Fox Reality Channel
155 BET Jazz
156 Great American Country
163 Fit TV
170 Fox College Sports Atlantic
172 Fox College Sports Pacific
405 TV Chile
410 De Pelicula
411 De Pelicula Clasico
417 History en Espanol
418 Discovery en Espanol
422 Discovery Familia
423 TOON Disney en Espanol
424 Boomerang en Espanol
430 MTV Tres
438 ESPN Deportes
439 Fox Sports en Espanol
444 CNN en Espanol
445 Canal Sur
449 EWTN Espanol
500 iNDEMAND Previews
601-606 ESPN Game Plan / ESPN Full Court
650 NBA League Pass Preview
651-659 NBA League Pass / MLS Direct Kick
671-684 MLB Extra Innings / NHL Center Ice
840 Public Safety
850 Public Safety
851 Public Safety
853 Public Safety
854 Public Safety
856 Public Safety
857 Public Safety
Nothing important for me so the TA is not yet a priority for me.
(If you read this, thanks, Jeff.)
Does a standard pair of "rabbit ears" work? or is there a special Antenna for getting the HD channels? (stuff with decimals or dashes in the channel number)
No special Antenna for HD/digital OTA - uses the same antennas as analog OTA - if rabbit ears will work or not simple depends on where you live. I need a large roof antenna where I live.
Most digital channels are currently broadcasting on UHF so some people will try to sell you a UHF only antenna and claim it is a special "HD" Antenna - I recommend you get a combo VHF/UHF one instead once the analog channels go dark more broadcasters will be using VHF for digital broadcast.
I stand corrected, your question led me to recheck several HD Channels I had not been receiving (TBS and FSNAZ, in particular) and it was a settings problem on my Series 3 rather than SDV. So all the channels moving to SDV on July 1 appear SD and it looks like we will not lose any HD for the moment. Must say, that makes the timing of adapter availability considerably less important...
Just kind of interesting that they would put public safety on an SDV channel. One would think that kind of thing (Public Safety, Goverenment access, Local analog Chanels, etc) is put someplace that EVERYONE can get (including those that just use the analog cable channels that every cable ready set can get. NOT on something that requires a special box. Of course it would depend on what one call Public Safety.
The public safety channels probably are still available on analog. Cablecards will be pointed to the analog source. Boxes will just get the digital simulcast version via sdv.
So once this two-way communication actually gets implemented, what sort of RF amplifier will be needed to support it?
I currently have a decent Weingard "cable signal level" amp to feed the four sets I have, but it most certainly does not allow anything to flow upstream (it's around 10 years old).
so no SDV adapter info lately?
The counter argument is that every little jurisdiction within a cable network now gets it's own government channel where before they couldn't spare the the bandwidth.
PEGs can get inserted very close to the edge nodes so there is no problem there. It is not like the whole Comcast footprint must share the same PEGs. I'm more inclined to agree with the poster that said the analog versions are still available so might as well make the digital versions SDV.
They're going all digital pretty soon, so it doesn't really matter about analog.
If you count 2012 as pretty soon, that is true. Most cable co's have local carriage agreements that require them to carry local pegs in analog in the basic tier. If they have a fully digital simulcast lineup, putting the pegs in switched is idea since those are very rarely watched.
Very rarely watched? Why the PEGs are the reason I pay my cable bill (and local franchise fee)!