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Discussion in 'Season Pass Alerts' started by InspectorGadget, Nov 26, 2007.
What's overlap protection? I'm a hapless early adopter with only Series-1 equipment.
Are you talking about overlapping shows on the same channel or just the :59's and :01's and :02's in general?
They're starting to track DVR viewing now for ratings purposes. So no, preventing people from recording is no benefit to advertisers whatsoever. I'm sure they'd rather have people maybe see their ads even if it's not live than be 100% certain that they won't see them at all ever. Especially with all the product placements within the shows.
IMHO, the by far primary reason they do this is to increase ad revenues. If they can charge an additional $100,000 (or whatever) per ad minute during the 9:00 show than during the 10:00 show, that's all the incentive the networks need to make the 9:00 show run until 10:01 or 10:02. DVR users are still a small percentage of overall viewers. And it just makes no sense to try to prevent people from recording stuff because the other network could counteract the efforts by aligning their start/end times. I think they just lengthen the show because of the advertising rates, and some of them have gone ahead and published the actual starting time for the benefit (with some unintended negative consequences) of DVR users. Some, like CBS (CSI and WAT, for example) haven't bothered putting out the correct start/end times but they sure as heck have the extra minute of commercials during the higher-rated CSI.
It's a feature TiVo added semi-recently (within the last year or so) to try to cut down on losing entire shows due to a short overlap.
If enabled, when two shows overlap for less that 5 minutes total, the lower priority show (on the Season Pass Manager) will not record during the time the two shows overlap.
So you miss up to 5 minutes of your lower priority show, but still get the bulk of it.
Recently it was advertised that the final show of Batchellor would air at 2:35 am - due to scheduling conflicts with ball games, etc. Since I had followed it all season - I had to be sure I saw the ending. So the TIVO was set - however after getting off my 12 hour shift at the hospital and coming home - I was afraid that everyone would be talking about the final decision - so I stayed up to watch it even though it was set to TIVO. Imagine my surprise when it did not come on at scheduled - but a full 23 minutes later - which had I not been up to see it live - I would have totally missed the ending of the show - which I had waited all season to see. This is very frustrating that shows are not on as scheduled - and you can depend on whether or not they will be TIVO'd on time or if you will miss part of the beginning - or the end. A tighter rope on the start and end times needs to be enforced. Afterall - that is why we use TIVO - to make sure we don't miss something we want to see. Some of us have to work at hours when something is on that we really want to see - so we depend on it being there when we are off work so we can catch up with the show.
That's GREAT! So is that a Series2/3 thing? Or G*d forbid did they accidentally put something useful in the Series1 3.5c update they just forced on me?
Go to Settings/Recording Settings and see if you have an item titled Overlap Protection.
If the show was rescheduled because of a game, I'm guessing that the game ran late, pushing the local news back, etc. etc., pushing the delayed airing of the Bachelor later as well. I'm guessing from your location that this was last Monday night when Tennessee on Monday Night Football and it was simulcast on your local ABC affiliate. For future reference, if a show is rescheduled due to a game earlier in the evening, be sure to add padding to your show because it's likely to run over. There's no way to put a tighter rope on the start and end times of a sporting event.
I have no "Settings" or "Recording Settings."
I have "Messages and Setup", and the only reasonable things under that are "My Preferences" and "Recorder&Phone Setup." Unfortunately, the latter only has phone-call settings and input settings (cable/satellite/OTA), remote and VCR control. The former (prefs) has Parental controls, Channels, Channel Banner, Audio Options, Video Recording Quality, Save Disk Space.
In "Recording Options" for a particular show, I only have Record Quality, Keep-at-least, and start/stop time settings.
Yeah, I severely doubt Series1's will ever get overlap protection (although I'm sure there are hacks you can do to get it).
Yeah, that's the thanks I get for being an early adopter, showing great commitment with a lifetime sub and helping establish their market. They just give me the finger and move on.
Oh, except for slamming my LBA48 machine every 6 months with a completely useless software update that does nothing for me except scramble my drive with a 32-bit OS.
Wouldn't this hurt live viewership too? If show A runs from 8:00 - 9:02, and show B runs from 8:59 to 10:00, how long is it going to be before live viewers get tired of missing the end of show A or the start of show B and quit watching one of them? Playing this game seems to risk a lot on the bet that your show won't be the one the viewer drops in order to resolve the overlap.
im glad i seen this thread cause i thought i was losing my mind when i kept thinking my vcr's clocks were always messing up and i would have to change the time and it would mess up one end or the other of my shows.
what a bunch of bullsh*t networks pulling that kind of crap on us!
Generally, the extra minutes are in the stronger show, so this tactic would therefore hurt the competition.
Those of us who record might actually be better prospective buyers than the live watchers. They are up at commercial breaks to get snacks, let the dog out, or go to the bathroom.
Those of us who record are watching at our leisure. I fast forward through commercials for things Im never going to use, but if I see something that Im interested in I can rewind, pause it while I get a pencil and paper, and write down a product name, phone number, address or other information. I can show it to another person in my household who isnt even watching TV at all.
Also, from an advertisers standpoint, does it really make a difference if your spot airs at 9:01 in a long ER time period or at 9:01 in the commercial block preceding the next show on the same network? It is still in the same sequence of spots. In fact, as an advertiser you might be able to save money buying a spot at the beginning of a slightly less expensive show.
I know that someone will write and say the viewer might change the channel after their show is over, but this thread is about two back to back hit shows where the network is overlapping the times.
While we skip the commercials completely.
I bet TiVo owners are like me than like you.
I think you may have simply misworded this. It's about when two back-to-back shows ON DIFFERENT NETWORKS overlap the times. That is on purpose (at least most people speculate). The extra time also allows the network to charge the higher-rated-show's ad rates, not the lower rated one show in the "next" hour time slot.
As it happens, I have 3 dual tuner HD TiVos (2 S3s and a TiVo HD), but I employ a much simpler solution: Don't record programs off the national broadcast networks (except PBS). Not only don't I have to worry about scheduling conflicts caused by the machiavellian machinations of grossly overpaid network executives, but it also allows me to avoid the garbage they produce. 'Two birds with one stone, and it doesn't require specialized hardware.
However, that way you miss all the truly superior programs the broadcast networks provide.
It isn't very difficult to make a decision between the conflicting alternative programs and watch the one (or two, if you have a dual-tuner DVR) that you like better. This isn't rocket science.
Or, assuming you have a TiVo that supports overlap protection, just make sure the program you care less about (or perhaps the program that starts later, as the beginning of a program is often less interesting than the end) is lower in priority, and rely on overlap protection. Works fine.
I understand your frustration, but the reality is that technology advances.
I would imagine that you have had your Series 1's for what - 5 to 8 years or something? I'm sure if you calculated your average monthly subscription charge using the cost of lifetime service and how long you've had your TiVos that you would be WELL under the $6.95 a month (or less?) they were charging at the time you acquired them - there's the payoff for being an early adapter and your commitment to them with a lifetime sub.
Your argument reminds me of the last computer I had. When I bought it, it was one of the top of the line that Best Buy carried and I used it for years. Running off of Windows 95, I believe looking back on it. I used Norton Anti-Virus and there came a time when Norton was no longer supporting Windows 95. I looked at upgrading my OS to Windows 98 or Milennium or something like that and found that even though I was only using about 60% of the space available on the hard drive, my hard drive in total was too small to accomodate the OS upgrade.
I had the choice to continue to use that computer, understanding the limitations I was working under due to the advancement of technology, or buy a new computer - which is what I did.
So I understand your frustration, but I can't jump to the conclusion that - even after all you've done for them - TiVo is "giving you the finger and moving on". They're just supporting the OLD hardware to keep it functional and investing their resources in moving ahead and keeping up with changing times/technologies.