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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Tony_T, Nov 8, 2020.
I thought of that possibility.
The funniest thing Baldwin did was point to that map and then throw it away when he realized what it was.
Oh, good, I can still edit. I was looking up something else and found this.
Alec Baldwin 'overjoyed' to lose 'SNL' job playing Donald Trump
So, no, he won't be back.
I guess I mean it got past the NBC censors.
When you're dealing with racist stereotypes, I really believe skin tone is important.
Not in this case. This isn't about a dark or light skinned black person, it's about a black person. It was clear and obvious what the joke was. We know the two actors are both black. There's no confusion.
Maya played a white woman in "A Christmas Story".
I believe Dave Chapelle is such a hot commodity that he can do whatever he wants. NBC knows they will take some heat for the N-bombs, but it's a price they are willing to pay.
Like it or not, yes it’s a rule. Whether it is permissible by nbc standards is a different issue but it sure is a rule that Black people can use that word.
I liked the monologue... I thought it was better than cold open and many of the skits.
I liked Woody Harrelson better, but whatevers.
I liked the monologue also. He made a couple of interesting points, one being the drop in mass shootings since the pandemic began. The other (mentioned above) was his comment "remember how you felt four years ago... there's 70 million people that feel like that now".
POTUS is always good material.
I don’t remember a single Obama skit. GHWB, Clinton, W, Trump, sure. Obama? I’m sure they must of done some, but I honestly don’t remember.
The Rock did a few.
Barack Obama Collection
I don't think I've read anybody say how Alec Baldwin is good before
Obama was portrayed by the Rock, by Fred Armisen, by Jay Pharoah off the top of my head.
It's a rule? It's written down somewhere? Yes black people can say it, heck white people can say it, who's stopping them? But yeah it means something entirely different. I remember the SNL bit during the first season when Richard Prior was on and he was taking some word association test where they went through all of the racist expressions that black and white people are called. It was said by Dan Ackroyd then, but in context. That's what's gone crazy these days is people just don't take things in context anymore. Anyway, like I said, it doesn't bother me he said it, but I can see where it would bother others.
You are so correct. Context is never taken into consideration. I can't say "The (bad word here) is a hurtful word that should never be used to describe someone." Of course I should never use the word to describe somebody, as an insult or to talk about members of a race. But if used in the context of an educational/informative sentence, when I'm talking about the word specifically why shouldn't I be allowed to use it? If the word was as caustic on it's own as they claim it to be, why are some people allowed to use it but not others? What about my racial make up makes the word so deadly out of my mouth vs someone else's mouth? And there is no doubt in my mind that anyone using it to describe a person is doing a very wrong thing.
Exactly. Look I don't condone hateful rhetoric used by anyone against someone else. But to just ban the word when used in context is just as wrong. If someone called me a Dirty Jew, I'd be angry. If someone said, Jews were called Dirty Jews because...and went on to explain why, or said, "That guy just called him a Dirty Jew", I wouldn't take offense to it, because I understand the context.
Wait, you are arguing about context yet complaining about Chappelle saying it or a rule that says black people can use it. Isn’t that context? Wow.
No denying that she's light enough skinned to play a white person (and I believe she's mixed race). But was there any doubt in that bit that she was playing a black woman (Aunt Jemima)? It's not like it was Kate Hudson playing the part.
Where did I complain about Chapelle saying it? Not once. In fact I said I didn't have a problem with it. I just said show me the rule? It's not a rule. It's an understanding not to use it (in any context). That's why I was fine with Chappelle saying it. In context it works, and it's fine. Here's what I mean. If Chappelle said "those two n* were talking about...." that's fine, but if I, as a white man said, "Chapelle said, those two n" were talking about..." It's NOT OK. I wasn't calling anyone an n*", just recounting a conversation.