Samsung 1TB HD $99+Shipping

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  1. Nov 4, 2008 #21 of 105
    farlz00

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    I too ordered this from OWC, got it yesterday, installed this am with winmfs, put in the tivohd, and no problems as of yet
     
  2. Nov 4, 2008 #22 of 105
    retired_guy

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    that's good news; hopefully I'll have the same experience.
     
  3. Nov 5, 2008 #23 of 105
    retired_guy

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    I installed the Samsung drive today and it seems to be working fine. Some weird issues during inital powerup, however. Initially, I just got a grey screen. I pressed the format button a couple times, reconnected the HDMI plug as well as stepping through the input options a few times. No change. But when I powered it off and back on, it came back OK. However, the now playing screen wasn't blank but rather showed everything I had recorded on the original drive. In addition, it showed all of my original deleted files, although again they were not really there. I deleted everything, went online to get the latest version of the directory, and all seems fine. I'm doing some MRV of recordings now with no problems.
     
  4. Nov 6, 2008 #24 of 105
    jensonw

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    Did you do anything special with the drive itself? Change any settings? or just WinMFS and go?
     
  5. Nov 6, 2008 #25 of 105
    nigebj

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    Same symptom, same drive. Powerup screen flashs, drive stutters, gray screen. Difference is, no improvement from there so far :(

    Any ideas ? I'm thinking the drive may be pulling to much current on boot for some reason. The WD has a(n unused by TiVo) Start in Standby jumper - for the same reason I wonder ??? For low power devices ?
     
  6. Nov 6, 2008 #26 of 105
    nigebj

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    Now I've seen basically the same.

    First boot - gray only.
    Second - power-up briefly, then gray.
    Both times after long time nothing happening IR LED does nothing when remote fired at it.
    Third time - seems to be booting fine ... somewhat worried at this point. The drive POST sounded different the first couple of times. Did cold reset each time though, so who knows.

    How many people have this drive installed and working right now ??
     
  7. Nov 6, 2008 #27 of 105
    jensonw

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    Reminds me of the joke about the ME, EE, and a computer scientist driving in a car...

    Should I push this jalopy up to the top of the hill again and see if the brakes fail again?
     
  8. Nov 6, 2008 #28 of 105
    nigebj

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    Indeed and as a computer scientist I know that the results will differ - just so long as computer hardware is involved ...

    Machine seems to be running just fine now. Boots, cold starts (pushed it to the top of the hill about 10 times in the course of a hour).

    Can't explain this - and leaves me less than confident for future cold starts (e.g. after a power cut - perhaps the surge protector will give way to a UPS).

    Anybody seen similar symptoms on a different drive ??
     
  9. Nov 6, 2008 #29 of 105
    jensonw

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    hmmm. Maybe the drive isn't ready fast enough for the TiVo after a 'cold start.' That's the only explanation I can come up with. Maybe I'll powercycle it "real fast" and see what happens.

    Your results have emboldened me to take apart my TiVo again. Good thing I didn't trash the image off my computer.
     
  10. Nov 6, 2008 #30 of 105
    retired_guy

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    I blundered and didn't supersize it. I've been thinking about going back and doing so, since all I really would have to do is take the cover off and connect my USB port into the drive; wouldn't have to remove the drive at all. But I've got a bit of that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" feeling about supersize.

    Of course, I didn't indicate eSATA when I restored it; that is a mistake some may make.
     
  11. Nov 6, 2008 #31 of 105
    retired_guy

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    For the past 20 hours, I've been moving recordings from another TiVo and PC to the 1TB box. During this time, I've also been recording with both tuners while watching other recorded material. So the drive doesn't seem to be causing any performance problems.

    I orginally thought my gray screen might be due to the HDMI cable I'm using; I think I paid $1.95 for it. But the gray screen seems to be a consistent problem for all of us, so doubt that was it. I've also been thinking about a UPS system for other reasons and if there's any good evidence the gray screen problem is related to low power, I'll probably put one in. But so far, I haven't seen any problems other than that initial gray screen.
     
  12. Nov 6, 2008 #32 of 105
    retired_guy

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    My HD with the Expander unit has 660GB of disk space and supposedly will store up to 86 hours of HD recordings. With my 1TB drive, I've supposedly got 131 hours of HD recordings on a 1000 GB drive without supersize. It seems to imply that the 160GB drive and the 500GB drives are without supersize, since their "hours/Gbyte" are essentially identical to what I'm seeing on my Samsung drive. This makes me a bit spooky about what supersize does on various types of drives and whether using it may cause a problem in future releases. I admit I don't understand what's going on with supersize and certainly don't know what TiVo's plans are regarding it in the future, but it's interesting that they don't seem to be using it for TiVo "officially supported" drives.
     
  13. Nov 6, 2008 #33 of 105
    steinercat

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    Just did the install this morning with the drive from OWC.

    NO PROBLEMS during install.
    NO PROBLEMS at boot-up.
    NO PROBLEMS so far.
    DID NOT encounter gray screen on boot-up.

    **EcoGreen is much quieter than the stock 160GB
    **SuperSized to 144hrs HD
    I deleted almost all my recording before the upgrade.

    42" Panasonic Plasma
    ALL HDMI
    APC Surge protector (not UPS)
    Comcast M-Card


    Very Happy so far!
     
  14. Nov 6, 2008 #34 of 105
    retired_guy

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    Did you do a backup and restore or a copy? And if you did the backup and restore, did you have the experience of the now playing list showing the names of the files you'd not deleted on the original disk, even though they were not actually there since the backup and restore didn't copy them?

    Since everything seems to be working for you, worked with a small gray screen problem for me, with a larger gray screen problem for others and a fatal gray screen problem for another, sounds like there's something at the margins which is impacting the drive, such as power differences. (I'm assuming we're all at the latest TiVo software level, used the 9.2 Beta WinMFS tool and started with a 160GB drive.)
     
  15. Nov 6, 2008 #35 of 105
    steinercat

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    Did you do a backup and restore or a copy?
    - YES. backup the TiVO file on desktop. Restore on 1TB drive.

    Did you have the experience of the now playing list showing the names of the files you'd not deleted on the original disk
    - YES. CSI:NY was still on the 1TB drive, tried to play it, but it was gone. However, WinMFS does indicate that shows would not be copied over on a simple backup-restore procedure right? It seems like just the placeholder (if that's what its called) was copied over without copying content. No biggie.


    TiVo 9.4
    WinMFS 9.2
    started with original 160GB TiVo

    Good luck to the others!
     
  16. Nov 6, 2008 #36 of 105
    retired_guy

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    In my case, I'd done the backup about a week prior to the restore. As a result, I'd rebooted Vista and restarted WinMFS with a "fresh" copy just prior to doing the restore. Maybe (but highly unlikely, I must say) there's some kind of initialization problem in WinMFS which can impact the restore.
     
  17. Nov 7, 2008 #37 of 105
    retired_guy

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    I just had to reboot my Samsung HD and got a bad case of the gray screen as well as hanging on the power on once. After rebooting about five or six times, I finally got past the problems and the system is running OK. Soft reboots don't seem to cause a problem. But due to this hard reboot problem that too many are seeing, I can't recommend this drive until someone finds out how to get around the problem.
     
  18. Nov 7, 2008 #38 of 105
    retired_guy

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    I've got a new theory on what to do about the power on problem. The EcoGreen drive has very low power consumption. One thing Samsung may have done to achieve this is to use a very low power drive motor. A problem this could present is that it would take longer to bring the drive up to a readable spin rate, although once there, it wouldn't have a problem maintaining that rate. Perhaps the HD is trying to read from the drive prior to it's getting up to speed. This is consistent with seeing the problem at power on but not during normal usage including soft reboots.

    Sometimes one can reboot and get past the problem. Perhaps it depends upon whether the power is reinserted rapidly enough that the drive has not stopped and hence can get up to full speed quicker. When I wait quite a while for the reboot, such as the initial one I did after installing the drive, I almost always get a gray screen. Differences in voltage levels and in the drives themselves may account for the different experiences each of us has had with the drive.

    I'm afraid to test this theory myself due to the problems I had this morning getting it powered up; I will try it the next time I have to do a power on however. But perhaps one of you with a hard problem might like to try it. That is, power on to the gray screen, then pull the plug and reinsert right away so that the box reboots with the drive still spinning; you may have to try it a few times to get the reinsertion timing right. See if this gets you past the gray screen problem.
     
  19. Nov 7, 2008 #39 of 105
    steinercat

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    Have you tried a different HDMI cable? Or component cable?

    The gray screen sounds more like a bad handshake than the drive.

    I've rebooted several times (and even unplugged) to see if I get the symptoms you get and so far, no gray screen.

    Good luck!
     
  20. Nov 7, 2008 #40 of 105
    retired_guy

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    I've been using the HDMI cable for several months with this HD and have never seen a problem with it. In addition, once I'm powered up with the new drive, I never see a problem. I was concerned about the cable initially but so many others have seen the gray screen problem that I doubt my cable is the problem. I do have a spare cable and I'll give it a try on my next power up to see if that makes a difference but doubt it.

    My current theory (weak evidence, I agree) is that this problem is at the margins regarding timing and you've either got a higher voltage level in your power source or some difference in the drive which causes your drive to power up OK. I don't think you've ever seen the problem, have you?
     

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