Sabrina could be a better option.

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  1. Oct 1, 2020 #281 of 445
    Alex_7

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    I was at target roaming around curious to see if they had it in stock they didn’t. I asked the target employee and he was clueless lol
     
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  2. Oct 1, 2020 #282 of 445
    Niners

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    Today I received the chromecast with google TV I ordered yesterday and installed it with a USB C hub.

    Interestingly a USB C hub that did not work with the Tivo Stream 4K does work with the Google TV. The wired GB Ethernet port on the hub works with the chromecast with google tv.

    The $20 USB C hub I used is: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RWG8M15/

    I also tested a USB wireless mouse and keyboard (Logitech micro USB keyboard connected with a USB A to micro USB adapter) and both the mouse and keyboard worked with this USB C hub.
     
  3. Oct 1, 2020 #283 of 445
    brotony

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    Indications in AVS forums is that in Android 10, framerate is locked to 59.xx fps. Appears to be locked for Plex and Kodi but now tests with Oppo 203 are coming, likely tomorrow. Hopeful Android 11 opens up possibilities and app developers integrate it with an option to enable it disable. This approach didn't work well for Apple TV 4K or Amazon Fire HDR devices. Based on user complaints, I feel best to have it available but off by default. This is how Roku does it and yet consumers turn it on and complain about black screen transitions.

    At some point, with HDMI 2.1 black screen transitions should be a thing of the past. There were rumors Sabrina would have HDMI 2.1 like the developer edition before it. This also seems to be not confirmed. The launch disappointedly lacked a spec announcement. So it appears to be hand cuffed as a cheap device with an out of the box quick and cheap experience. I'd like to think that won't be case for Android 11 but this gives me pause to buy now.

    Hopeful 2019 Nvidia Shields are supported in Android 11 with native framerate and resolution matching along with Google TV platform. But I don't own one and wouldn't buy until verified. Google has said they don't know what Nvidia's plans are. Hopefully Nvidia has a choice with Google TV and won't disappoint current owners. But I don't claim to know what they want or Nvidia's plans. I would be interested to know though! Just my thoughts.

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  4. Oct 1, 2020 #284 of 445
    Alex_7

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    Nice, how are you powering the hub? What power brick are you using? Any Ethernet issues with losing connection or is it stable so far?
     
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    mrizzo80

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    Does the Watchlist update itself or do you have to mark episodes as watched?

    If the former, which apps support that? I saw a post on Reddit indicating there were three supported apps, including Netflix, which I think was a holdout for similar functionality on Apple TV.
     
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    NashGuy

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    It certainly look like Android TV 11 (which was just released by Google about a week ago) supports varying/native frame rates, as long as apps support that API.

    Frame rate  |  Android Developers

    There are workaround on lower versions of Android, though. Amazon implemented a match framerate feature on at least some of their current Fire TV devices. (Fire TV OS is Amazon's modified version of open-source Android.) I think Nvidia tacked on some kind of match framerate solution for their Shield TV (or maybe it requires use of a special app).

    As for the new Chromecast, I'm still not sure if it has such a feature or not. It does have a match dynamic range feature. Not sure about framerate. That might require a future upgrade to Android TV 11. But given that this is a Google device, I'd have to think that the OS update isn't far off. Google Pixel phones get Android updates almost immediately after Google releases them.
     
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  7. Oct 1, 2020 #287 of 445
    aaronwt

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    Bestbuy has been screwed up lately. I had yet another issue with an order today. It shows online that it hasn't even been picked up yet by the carrier. But I received it today.
     
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    aaronwt

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    What kind of speeds do you get over the gigabit connection?
     
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    NashGuy

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    OK, here's what I *think* to be true. Someone who already has a Chromecast with Google TV, please correct me if what I say here is wrong.

    The Watchlist on Google TV doesn't keep track of what you've watched. It's just a static group of movies and entire series that you've manually "watchlisted". I think all titles in the Watchlist remain there until you manually remove them. It looks like Google maintains a database of titles across lots of different apps/services (much like TiVo/Rovi does), with each title showing which services it's available on. And from this master database, you can add a title to your Watchlist. And the Watchlist is tied to your Google account. You can add to it from Google search results in Chrome, in the Google TV mobile app for Android, or in Google TV on Chromecast. Add it in any one place and it flows through to the other places.

    Unfortunately, though, Google's database isn't completely accurate yet. For instance, it doesn't seem to support Showtime. If you search for a Showtime original series, it will show it as being available from one or more of the services that offer Showtime as an add-on (e.g. Hulu, Prime Video, YouTube TV, etc.) but not from the actual Showtime app itself. Which is really weird, given that Google lists Showtime as one of the apps that's integrated into Google TV.

    There's a separate list/row near the top of the main For You tab in Google TV called Continue Watching. The contents of this row are automatically populated by Google TV. It should reflect the next available episode in a series you're currently watching. Or if you watched only part of a movie or episode, that should be reflected here. It looks like this Continue Watching row depends on an API that Android TV apps must support, which basically passes the contents of that individual app's Continue Watching list out to Google TV, which in turn aggregates that data in with the same kind of data from other apps into one unified list.

    Which apps support the Continue Watching feature in Google TV? HBO Max for sure. I've read conflicting info on Netflix. I've read that Prime Video, Hulu and Disney+ do not. I've read that CBS All Access does. Peacock isn't integrated into Google TV at all yet but Google says it will soon. So, sort of an underwhelming level of support among major apps so far, IMO. We'll see where this goes in the days and weeks to come...
     
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    brotony

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    Yes. I'll wait and hope for the Android 11 test results. It's what Google didn't say that worries me. Apple was the same way at launch and worse even with HDR not dynamically auto switching to content. That evolved nicely but still lacked some developer participation in apps integration. Roku has a different approach but Netflix defeated that.

    Nvidia Shield is an unknown isn't it? I'd like to know what their plans are. New device for Google TV or support the 2019 Shields?

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    mrizzo80

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    Yeah I probably used the wrong term. Continue Watching is what I should’ve used.
     
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    Niners

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    Wired ethernet has been stable with this hub. No issues so far with the wired connection or the peripherals connected to the hub.

    Currently the hub is powered with an extra Monoprice Obsidian 85W PD 1 port Wall Charger which is way overkill for the peripherals connected to the hub but this hub supports 100W.
    Later on when I have a hard drive connected to it I will try it with a 18W PD charger.
     
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  13. Oct 1, 2020 #293 of 445
    NashGuy

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    Nvidia has been excellent about updating their Shield TV. My guess is that they will adopt Google TV in the coming months if their customers deem it a worthwhile change (jury's still out) and if Nvidia can somehow prominently feature their Nvidia Games titles in the Google TV UI (as they already do in the standard Android TV home screen).

    As for the Apple TV 4K, yes, I held off on buying one until its first major software update which introduced the frame rate matching and dynamic range matching features. As for the content aggregation features of its TV app, they've been ahead of everyone there. Sadly, Netflix doesn't support it but all the other major (and many minor) apps do.

    IMO, Apple TV is the standard that Google TV is aiming to meet or beat. We'll see if it succeeds.
     
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    foghorn2

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    I have content like Brian Greens's Fabric of the Cosmos, Cosmos, the full Bewitched Series, Song Remains the Same, ect ect that wont convert over to any service. I wish I could download them and use Kodi to play them off the NAS. I do own them for flocks sake.
     
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    Niners

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    I tested a couple times with the Analiti app with both wired and wireless. I got between 74MB and 78MB with the wired connection and between 67MB and 70MB with the wireless connection so not a significant difference between wired and wireless with my network.

    My internet connection is 100MB so I likely won't see a difference between the GB port on this hub and a 10/100 USB Ethernet adapter. Someone with a Internet connection higher than 100MB would likely get higher speeds with this hub's GB port.
     
  16. Oct 1, 2020 #296 of 445
    Alex_7

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    Spot on. The only way for now to remove from watchlist is manually, hopefully in the future the show or tv is removed from the watchlist automatically after you finish watching.
    Marking individual episodes as watched is not yet supported. It relies on the continue watching feature if it supports it. When clicking on a title from the google tv main page it does remember where you left off and gets you back on the last point you left off in the movie or tv series
     
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  17. Oct 1, 2020 #297 of 445
    Alex_7

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    How many W do you suggest the power brick to be to power the device, have Ethernet connection running and a 64GB flash drive with installed apps on it? Is a 20W power brick enough or would I need more?
     
  18. Oct 1, 2020 #298 of 445
    Alex_7

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    This guy managed to install the Google TV launcher on his Nvidia shield



    I wanna do this to my TiVo stream
     
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    Alex_7

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    Wow! It works! I managed to install Google Tv on the TiVo stream!
     
  20. Oct 2, 2020 #300 of 445
    brotony

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    I'd hope Google does meet or exceed Apple TV 4K. I can, at times, get around the unction to get an iOS device to better integrate with HomeKit and kb by borrowing an iPad or using harmony hub. But sometimes I find Apple pushing the agenda that it works better with iOS devices. I'm better integrated with Google but also the minority in this house. But I find it costlier to switch everything to Apple at the moment. At least for the moment, I'm looking for a Google solution.

    I'm also using Amazon echo but it seems to have lost control of hue bridge hue lights and can't get it back. Discovered no lights for weeks; now just finding 2 lights. Oddly enough, Google Home lost Philips hue sync earlier this year and it took months to correct. Google Home support refused to talk to me about fixing this because I didn't have a Google smart speaker. They've just sent me a discount promotion code (YouTube Premium member offer) for a Google a Nest hub. I'm beginning to lean towards Google Assistant anyway so I'll likely be looking to get into Google TV too.

    At the very least, I'm looking to user tests to see if Sabrina is dropping video frames as bad as Apple TV 4K is for some users complaining about this in AVS forums. There's a couple of threads I'm watching over there for that. It mostly appears to be more noticable by TV and viewer; I haven't noticed it as often as others complain. But the argument makes sense to me; it might well matter if I buy another TV. I mostly stream all video and audio media now.

    If Sabrina doesn't disappoint, it's cheaper. If Nvidia Shield's plans are encouraging, maybe that's the solution I go with. I can wait but I'm tired of buying devices on the hopes the maker will get it right with updates. Too often with streamers, it's what you unpack that you're stuck with. Like yourself, I haven't paid much attention to Chromecast Ultra. For me, it lacked the remote to be taken seriously. Likely a good device with excellent support over the years for those that purchased.

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