Sabrina could be a better option.

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  1. rczrider

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    The Slickdeals thread indicates that it goes in and out of stock from minute to minute. Maybe it's out now, but maybe not in an hour? Or tomorrow?

    In any case, the TS4K is dead.

    EDIT: literally just bought a white one. I already pay for Netflix, so $18 for the new Chromecast is a pretty solid deal.
     
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  2. mrizzo80

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    Thanks.

    I really like the TiVo product, but I’ll give this a shot. I’ve really gotten used to the remote - that will be tough to give up. ReelGood has been great as well, but having something baked into the home screen is even better.
     
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  3. dbpaddler

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    Engadget had an interesting update to their article.

    Makes it seem like all consumer streaming devices will be Google TV based moving forward. Also makes me think TV mfg's will use this as an excuse not to update current sets to Google TV and force customers to buy a new TV to get the Google TV experience. Will suck for Sony owners who are still sitting on Android 8.

    Another interesting comment is all developers have access to the Live TV API, so that sling integration is open to all. So hopefully Channels DVR devs will take advantage of that. Would give more reason for OTA people to drop their Tivo DVR.


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  4. Oct 1, 2020 #244 of 445
    brotony

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    Just half or fully baked later?

    I see why Google wasn't rushing to bring Google TV out sooner. Wishful thinking that the delay would be worth the wait for a fully baked product. Everything I've read today seems to say to me to wait until more is known:

    •Will Android 11 bring integer framerate matching for Google TV? Auto matching?

    •Passthrough audio for AVR codecs support?

    •Will Nvidia launch another Shield for Google TV with desired features and leave the older generations behind?

    -Or- will this Google TV Chromecast device continue to be face valued on the cheap and add nothing hoped for? Sad day when launch signals wait and see: *starting in 2021"?... Buy now? I wanted a Chromecast device but this is a let down. Thanks? Google? I know what's in the package but gee, what can it be?


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  5. Oct 1, 2020 #245 of 445
    mschnebly

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    Mine works perfectly with Harmony Elite and Companion remotes.
     
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  6. Oct 1, 2020 #246 of 445
    NashGuy

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    It's odd that Stadia support for this device isn't coming until 2021, especially given that Google is discontinuing the Chromecast Ultra (the only TV-connected device that currently supports Stadia) as a standalone item. Apparently the Ultra will still be sold in a bundle with Stadia controllers, though.

    As for whether the new Chromecast is half-baked (aside from the Stadia issue), I think we're just going to have to wait for some initial user reports. Do we know for sure that it doesn't already have a framerate matching feature? Based on what I've read, I suspected that that would be a feature dependent on Android TV 11 (to which the Chromecast might be upgraded at any moment) but I don't know if anything has been confirmed on that. Anyone who's already bought it: is there a match framerate feature somewhere in the settings?

    As for passthrough audio, Google's stated audio specs for the device say that it supports these audio formats: "Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Atmos (pass-through)". So it apparently offers passthrough audio, at least for Atmos.

    Regarding Nvidia and their Shield TV, eh, that's nothing really to do with this Chromecast, although it is one of the questions surrounding the broader Google TV initiative. The gradual switchover from Android TV to Google TV is going to be messy and drawn-out but there's really no way around that, I guess. It's a consequence of the fact that, unlike Apple, Google creates software/services ecosystems that they extend to partner OEMs who have some degree of freedom in how they implement Google's solutions.

    As for Google abandoning this Chromecast or the broader Google TV effort, I'm not too concerned about that. To me, this looks like the company is *finally* getting serious about TV with a coherent software and hardware strategy. I think Google knows that have to be a player in that arena. I just don't know why it took them this long to get there.
     
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  7. Oct 1, 2020 #247 of 445
    NashGuy

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    Beginning at some point in 2022, all (retail?) devices that run Android TV will have to use Google TV. So apparently, OEMs will have the option of bringing smart TVs and streamers to market until then that have the standard Android TV launcher but not Google TV. Whether any will or not, who knows.

    As for existing Sony TVs getting updated to support Google TV, eh, I wouldn't bet on it. Sony's track record has reportedly been pretty awful in terms of upgrading to newer versions of Android TV. I don't see them pushing a whole new UI out to their TVs (other than maybe their 2020 models).

    And, yeah, I'm interested to see where Google TV's Live tab goes in terms of support for additional apps/services. I'm wondering if Google is essentially abandoning their old Live Channels app (which they haven't done much with in a long while) and essentially replacing it with this Live tab. And, if that's the case, if the Live tab will gain direct native support for OTA tuners like HDHomeRun along with DVR features, as the Live Channels app has. My guess is that the Live tab won't ever support any DVR features (either local or cloud) but that you'll need to go into an underlying app for that.

    Related question: I wonder if your YouTube TV cloud DVR recordings integrate with the broader Google TV UI, such as Continue Watching, Watchlist, and Top Picks for You?
     
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  8. Oct 1, 2020 #248 of 445
    krkaufman

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    Good timing, at least until Roku and Amazon resolve the issue w/ HBO MAX. I'm tempted to run out and grab one of these, if only so I can quit having to connect a laptop to the TV whenever I want to watch HBO MAX.
     
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    NashGuy

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    We know that Google TV exists as the new face of Android TV devices and also as a mobile app for Android. (I earlier said for iOS too but it's just an Android app, at least for now.) And certain features of Google TV, including Watchlist, are integrated into Google search results.

    But I bet the full Google TV experience comes to the web (at least via the Chrome browser) before long. That's what their project code-named Kaleidoscope appears to be.

    Chrome Kaleidoscope aggregates video streaming services on one page

    Right now the tv.google site is just a marketing page for Google TV. But it will probably be home to Kaleidoscope once they've finalized it.
     
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    dbpaddler

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    For the last part, I guess that's up to Google. It's their product. I would think in time it would. For me that would go along with Channels DVR integration or any DVR integration for that matter.

    And wasn't banking on Sony doing that considering they still have many tv's on 8. Doubtful any mfg will update an existing product at this point as it's a chance to sell new product.

    And if Live Channels supports the hdhomerun, I'm sure the live tab would too. Can't imagine them completely abandoning a live guide. The level of integration seems like it'll be there for the capability. It should be interesting to see how things progress. But they definitely seem to be more ambitious than Roku and Amazon.

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  11. Oct 1, 2020 #251 of 445
    Alex_7

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    You can sideload the hbo max app to the firestick.
     
  12. Oct 1, 2020 #252 of 445
    Alex_7

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    I'm patiently waiting for this. I like constantly adding stuff to my watchlist. An iphone app would be ideal for me eventually. But a web browser will do.
     
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  13. Oct 1, 2020 #253 of 445
    BigC

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    So the local Home Depot by me show 6 in stock. Head there this morning and get there around 8:30. The units aren't on shelf, so I ask someone that works there about it. They find one in "cage" on top of shelving. Bring one down and hand it to me. Off I go to the register, all happy. Get to the register, they scan in the barcode and a message pops-up that they can't sell it to me (not just to me, but can't sell it at all). Argued a bit that the device was released yesterday and why can't I buy it.... Bottom line, left without one. So p****d. This is b******t.
     
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  14. Oct 1, 2020 #254 of 445
    Alex_7

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    Dam that sucks, have you tried your local Walmart/Best Buy?
     
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    aaronwt

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    I hope it can be controlled over the network. Like my Rokus and Shield TVs. I use my harmony remotes with Harmony hubs to control them over the LAN.
     
  16. Oct 1, 2020 #256 of 445
    dbpaddler

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    It's bluetooth and IR. But the hub has Bluetooth in it so as long as the hub is in Bluetooth range of Sabrina, it will work.

    Everything with harmony goes through the hub no matter how its controlled be it Bluetooth, wifi or IR. Unless you have an IR device you want controlled by the remote itself. Well, not the companion remote.

    And I can't imagine if you're using Sabrina in a room, your hub is in a different room.



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  17. Oct 1, 2020 #257 of 445
    BigC

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    Trying Walmart later. Might have to write a scathing email to Home Depot headquarters
     
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    Jeeters

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    I web checked inventory at my local Walmart and Home Depot and neither claimed to have it. My local Target did claim to have it in stock. So I just headed there during lunch, but I didn't see any. They had the old Chromecasts, and I didn't see an open spot where the new ones could have been, so I'm assuming they hadn't put them out yet. Nobody was immediately around for me to bug about it, so I just left.

    EDIT: I forgot about Best Buy. They don't have it in stock, but I just ordered it from them to have it delivered to my house. Oct 6th delivery. For store pickup, it was Oct 7th. I know I could just have ordered it from the Google Store, but they're usually not so timely.
     
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  19. Oct 1, 2020 #259 of 445
    NashGuy

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    Well, this is Google we're talking about here and they often abandon old things. I doubt that they yank the Live Channels app off the Play Store in the foreseeable future but I can see it just languishing with no further updates. Couldn't blame them, really, given the new Live tab in Google TV which essentially replaces it.

    As an HDHomeRun owner, what I'm wondering is if Google will build native support into the Live tab in Google TV for OTA tuners or if it will only have an API that allows third-party apps (e.g. YouTube TV, Fubo TV, Pluto TV, etc.) to pass their video streams into it. With the Live Channels app, there are two ways that you can pull in your OTA channels: either directly from the tuner (i.e. natively) or indirectly via the HDHomeRun app if you have installed it. Alternatively, you can use certain USB OTA tuners natively with Android TV and the Live Channels app if Android TV has a built-in driver for it.

    I'd say Amazon Fire TV is well ahead of Google on this. There's a live channel grid guide in the Fire TV UI that pulls streaming channels from several different apps, as well as whatever premium services you subscribe to via Prime Video Channels (e.g. Showtime, Showtime 2, Showtime Extreme, etc.). And it also incorporates OTA channels from the Fire TV Recast and/or the built-in tuner on smart TVs running Fire TV OS. But it looks like Google plans to follow suit by building a live guide that's open to any source that wants to opt into it. Don't see Google coming out with their own OTA tuner/DVR like the Recast though. Hopefully they try to natively support other companies' OTA tuners as they did in the Live Channels app.
     
  20. Oct 1, 2020 #260 of 445
    aaronwt

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    I still surprised my 2015 Sony UHD TV got updated to a newer version of Android last month. That seems unusual for a five year old TV.
     

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