Sabrina could be a better option.

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  1. aaronwt

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    Yes. I just ordered a couple from Best Buy. The blue ones. I hope they work out better than the TS4K devices did for me. As in they better not have always on HDR.
     
  2. NashGuy

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    Yeah. On Google's launch video earlier today, the lady said Google TV would be coming to other devices in the Android TV ecosystem. (I think those were roughly her words.) On the Google TV website, it says "Coming soon to future smart TVs."

    So I wonder if Google TV will come to any other streamers like Shield TV or TS4K, or if it will only be on smart TVs. Also wonder if it will only come to future products and not get added to anything already out.

    Honestly, I can't see why TiVo would want the new Google TV UI on their Stream 4K. It pretty much totally duplicates what TiVo is trying to do in their Stream app (and Google probably does it better).
     
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  3. NashGuy

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    I've seen folks who have one post that it has some kind of Dynamic Range Match setting you can turn on.
     
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  4. dbpaddler

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    Yes. That's what Google calls channels and what Tivo refers to as carousels.

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    I'm more thinking about the remote. I guess I'll get the white one but I expect it'll start looking grubby over time...
     
  6. JOSHSKORN

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    I'm curious to see if anyone has had any luck with Sabrina and Network attached storage devices. I've got a 4TB External HDD attached to an ASUS router via USB 3.0. I'm actually about ready to install ASUS Merlin onto this router, since the stock firmware is junk, and I seem to not be able to do anything with large files on it and I'm thinking with ASUS Merlin, I can.

    This brings me to another question, to which I think I already know the answer to. YouTube TV - when you record a show, it saves it on Google/YouTube's end, right? So, no need for a "DVR" or in this case, attached storage. Is that correct? If that's the case, what would be the purpose of using attached storage with Sabrina or any other device? Just to save local media files like movies or pictures, I'm assuming?

    How does something like Hulu Plus, work? Is any content always available on their end, so no need to download/save or "DVR" anything? Same question with any other networks anyone has experience with.
     
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  7. NashGuy

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    I have no idea what may be going on with regard to integration of Peacock content into the old Android TV homescreen (or the TiVo Stream app, for that matter). Peacock integration in either of those UIs may be completely unrelated to Google TV, which is its own thing.
     
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  8. NashGuy

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    Correct. YouTube TV has unlimited 9-month storage on their cloud DVR (i.e. on Google's servers), accessible via their app on any device.

    Yeah, for storing your own local media files. In my case, I may try connecting external storage to use the free OTA DVR features in Google's Live Channels app. (You also need a compatible OTA tuner too. I would use my network-connected HDHomeRun Connect but I think there are one or two local USB tuners that are compatible with Android TV.)

    If you subscribe to Hulu's Live TV add-on, it works like YouTube TV in that it has a cloud DVR.
     
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  9. dbpaddler

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    The google TV home screen is on the TS4k it's just the android tv 9 version and not 10 which is what is on Sabrina. You press the circle button and it takes you right to the home screen I pictured.

    And just talking to the one dev, they don't have plans of upgrading the android version in the near future unless feedback dictates otherwise. I'm wondering if their cable box OS plans on being android 9 based for a while so probably makes sense to keep it consistent.

    But that cements it for me. Going to push tivo to take my two back.

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  10. dbpaddler

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    Why do you assume it's its own thing compared to the TS4k? Without stream, the TS4k is pretty much a stock android tv device just like Sabrina except Sabrina is a little more polished being on Android TV 10. Google didn't do anything special to it. Tivo could update the TS4k to Android TV 10 and the home screen would look the same as Sabrina does. I don't get why you think there's some special sauce in Sabrina. Google TV is just rebranding Android TV and unifying things since Play Movies and such is getting lumped in. And of course they're going to do it first on their new flagship chromecast before other devices do.

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  11. Alex_7

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    Expanding storage can also be used to store installed apps. The small available storage space in streaming sticks runs low over time.
     
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    Should I turn on “Match Dynamic Range” ?
     
  13. jimpmc

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    The Chromecast with Google TV product definitely relegates Tivo Stream to a niche product, if it wasn't already. Between distribution channels, the Chromecast brand, and the vision of aggregating content across providers that Google's TV product now brings, I can't see how TiVo gains any more traction in the marketplace. I'm not sure whether TS4K will really have any lifespan with such a small userbase.

    Plus, Google is now taking on Reelgood and JustWatch more directly as well. I have yet to play around with Google's Watchlist, but does it keep track of actual episodes watched like Reelgood does (albeit you have to tell it you watched the episode, but it tracks it at that level).
     
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    Regarding the episode tracking, It keeps track where you left off by adding a continue watching row.
     
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    I kinda thought that you thought this based on the things you've been saying. But it's not necessarily so.

    Google TV is a new UI and content aggregation system that can run atop the Android TV operating system. Essentially, it's an alternative launcher (to use the proper Android term) for Android TV devices. In addition, Google TV exists in the form of its own app for Android mobile and iOS devices. And Google TV also ties into Google's TV and movie search results in web browsers, where you can add titles to your Google TV watchlist (thereby showing up in the Google TV mobile app and the Google TV launcher on the new Chromecast).

    Just because a device runs Android TV 10 doesn't mean that it now has or will have Google TV. In fact, there are a few streamers and smart TVs released earlier this year outside the US that run Android TV 10 but do not have Google TV, which at this point is exclusive to the new Chromecast. Meanwhile, Google's own device for Android TV developers, the ADT-3, gets new versions of Android TV as soon as they're released by Google. It was upgraded to Android TV 10 late last year and then to Android TV 11 last week. But it continues to feature the standard launcher/homescreen UI.

    At this point, we do know that Google TV will be used on upcoming smart TVs running the Android TV OS. We don't yet know if it will come to any non-Google streaming devices though, or whether any existing Android TV smart TVs or devices (e.g. Nvidia Shield TV, TiVo Stream 4K, etc.) will be updated so that they switch over from their existing launcher to Google TV. Perhaps the TS4K updates soon directly from Android TV 9 to 11 but doesn't get Google TV. Or maybe it does. We don't know yet.
     
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  17. NashGuy

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    Good to see they're offering this. The similar adapter for the original Chromecast is only $15. This one is $20, which seems like a bit much. Doesn't make sense IMO when you can buy a powered USB-C hub with ethernet port for not much more. But it's all some folks will need and they know that it will be compatible and backed by Google.
     
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  18. NashGuy

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    Do you have a TV that supports HDR? If so, then the question is whether you want regular SDR content to be output as fake HDR or not. If you do, then leave Match Dynamic Range off. If you don't, then turn it on. Some folks like the way SDR content looks when it's converted into fake HDR. Some don't.
     
  19. Alex_7

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    Thanks for the explanation, The Tivo stream doesn't have this option
     
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  20. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I kinda saw this coming awhile back. Based on the leaks of what Google was planning to do with this device, I figured it would be hard for the TS4K to survive. But I at least thought that Google's device would cost $60-70, allowing the TS4K to undercut on the price. But since it rolled out at the same $50 price point, yeah, I think the TS4K is really going to be a niche product.
     
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