S3 Multi-room viewing announcement at CES?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by digitaldna, Jan 5, 2007.

  1. doctord

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    Go to the Tivo Home page and watch the S3 demo. The last arrow takes you to the Home Media options. It demonstrates music and photos and then MRV. No TTG though. MRV must be forthcoming or they are playing bait and switch. I hope it's the former.
     
  2. kjmcdonald

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  4. albrandwood

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    But you can announce that you'll charge $99 for TiVoToGo for Mac, even though you give it away free to PCs !!!
     
  5. kjmcdonald

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    You have a point in that there still is no free basic tivo to go for the mac.

    But at the same time what you get for $99 is equivalent to the $30 you pay for TTG plus, and $70 to Sonic to make DVD's on your PC.

    So as far as what's available to be bought, the two platforms are equal.

    As far as what's available for free...

    -Kyle
     
  6. SC0TLANDF0REVER

    SC0TLANDF0REVER I Love my TiVo!

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    I was thinking XM woulda been the better choice for delivering music (they are more tailored to my tastes and I have it in my car).
    It's sad to think that they announced something with them previously and didn't deliver - TiVo just lost points from me.

    Now they are partnering with Music Choice? Uggh!
     
  7. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    This was XM not delivering. Their vehicle for doing things with TiVo got hacked (a fully controlled primary account XM via the internet for money), and XM decided to withdraw from the area altogether rather than fix it up. Now XM is offering a much lighter service for free via internet to people who already have XM accounts.
     
  8. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    A "lighter service"? Lighter than what? Than their OTA offering?

    XM Radio Online has fewer channels than their OTA offering because they do not have Internet distribution rights for most of their syndicated content. MLB, for example, has their own Internet distribution for gameday broadcasts and (as I understand it) the cost for XM to secure Internet distribution rights was prohibitive.
     
  9. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    Yes. For several months XM was selling hardware that connected to the PC (USB???) so that you could have your only XM account be on the PC. At that time it was a full XM offering (all channels) that you paid the normal XM monthly rate for. It got hacked somehow, I'm not sure of the details, so that people could get the hardware but didn't have to be subscribed to XM to use it. XM dropped the program altogether. As I recall the timing on the connection with TiVo went something like this:
    Announcement at CES
    4-5 months later XM came out with their XM-PC service.
    In July/August it got hacked (or at least the hack became public).
    In late August they announced they would be shutting down the XM-PC service and needed to re-evaluate what would be happening with TiVo.

    All of this is from my memory; I subscribed to both XM and TiVo and was looking forward to the connection between them, but was waiting for the connection before I started XM-PC so I didn't ever know the nitty-gritty details.
     
  10. weaverdrew

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    More history here on the demise of the XM-PCR hardware:
    http://news.com.com/2100-1026-5330698.html

    Given the nature of the XM-PCR hack, I'm not sure why there would be a security issue around streaming XM audio to Tivo boxes. It's not like you can run TimeTrax on your Tivo to capture the audio digitally.
     
  11. Amnesia

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    I know all about the PCR---I have one.

    But even before the PCR went away, XM had an online offering. It used to be a separate add-on (you paid an extra $3/mth), but they (unfortunately) rolled it into the price of the (OTA) subscription.

    But that doesn't change the fact that XM Radio Online was always only a subset of the OTA channels---that's a simple fact of distribution rights. It had nothing to do with PCR software.
     
  12. dt_dc

    dt_dc Mostly Harmless

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    Perhaps not what you were wating for ... but ...
    If Tivo is talking about MRV / TTG I'm sure mega, davezatz, and others will have more info.
     
  13. XBR

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    If only Nate could've asked one more question: What about "Digital and HD" content that is transmitted OTA? Is it in because it's OTA or is it out because it's "digital and HD?" :rolleyes:
     
  14. moyekj

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    I've read this several times and it doesn't make much sense. Over-the-air content includes SD & HD digital broadcasts. I would like to interpret as any analog and OTA broadcasts (including analog & digital OTA) which are unencrypted will be supported. I would further infer that any encrypted digital content, including content with 5C=0 (copy freely) would not be supported. I would assume it also applies to OTA re-broadcasts over cable, not just sources from the antenna input. Seems like Tivo would not need CableLabs approval for unencrypted content which is maybe why that's what they are targeting first. While that's not the best compromise I could definitely live with that as an initial release with the hope that somewhere down the road at least the encrypted digital content with 5C=0 would also be permitted. That would equal firewire extraction capabilities that Motorola-based cable DVRs already permit (albeit unofficially).
     
  15. cramer

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    That's not a "series 3 demo", it's just a generic demo.

    Yes. First thing... you cannot buy the card; you can only get one in a certified PC system. Beyond that, they're supposed to have other DRM locks, but as no one actually has such a card/system, there's no telling how well it's actually locked down.

    The issue with an "add-on" RF transmitter in the S3 is that it's a) an add-on, and b) outside the box. (B) is an instant killer; CableLabs will never allow that. Aside from that, putting inside the box still leaves (A) and thus requires the unit be taken to an authorized service center to have it "upgraded." (both tuner blocks have to be replaced and at least one DOCSIS cablemodem has to be installed. With M-Card (full CC2.0) support, only one eCM is necessary -- in theory.) Suffice to say, the Series 3 will very likely never be a bidirectional device. (Their engineering efforts would be better spent on an OCAP compliant Series 4. That means a very short life to the uber-expensive S3. :( )

    The same kinds of theories can be batted around for the DTV hardware... S1 hardware can function perfectly as a DISH DVR if it were so programmed. All of them can have the LNB tuners replaced to support the new encoding -- but they don't have an MPEG4 decoder... (the S3 does, btw.)
     
  16. kjmcdonald

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    Ok. But I doubt Dell will be able to sell many if they have anything in it that stops you from installing another OS or software like a Tivo has.

    Once you take a box with one of these cards and install linux, all the world is open to hacking. It may not be easy but there's nothing preventing it.

    I'm not sure what part of what I wrote you're responding to? Are you answering my idea of using the SlingBox with a SlingCatcher to get your own MRV?

    If so I think I'm missing something. Since:

    1)That combo wouldn't be an RF transmitter. It uses Ethernet right?
    2)The Tivo couldn't possibly know what's connected to it's outputs.
    3)Using it shouldn't require any changes to the Tivo at all.

    I totally understand the issue Cable Companies would have with removing content from the Tivo with something like TTG. But I don't understand how MRV even on content with protection bits set is a problem given that:

    Verizon offers a STB/DVR with MRV.
    The Dell with the ATI card and XP/MCE will be able to send content to 'media extender device'

    If one can why can't the other?

    -Kyle
     
  17. MichaelK

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    cable labs has approved windows drm and real networks helix but not yet tivogaurd.


    likely the ati cards will only work if the content is encoded with the real or MS drm's
     
  18. MichaelK

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    i think the ATI think is all locked up to vista...
     
  19. Justin Thyme

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    Have they approved it for streaming, but not for transcoding? I don't think they can copy, eg to a cell phone or portable media player. That's part of what the CEA wants the FCC to rule on- that the cableco's are not the gatekeepers for digital content. If the proposal goes through, then when the content guys bless a format, the cableco's will have zip to say about it.
     
  20. MichaelK

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    dont know- but if you search the opencable website for docs with "real helix" you can see what it says.

    I would GUESS that they can transcode as long as you respect the CCI flag that it came from- so if the flag says copy once or copy no more then helix and wdrm must respect that in the copies

    But I seem to recall that MS said initially vista would only be allowed to stream?
     

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