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Rumor: Comcast may go all-IP for new subs by year-end

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by NashGuy, Mar 29, 2017.

  1. Bigg

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    That's about the only legitimately reason to keep renting, since it makes no sense to buy if you're getting Google Fiber soon. That sucks that they're taking so long to connect you though.

    That's a pretty lame excuse. I've had modems and routers in living spaces before, and a few velcro cable ties do wonders.

    Unfortunately, yes, it will probably be replaced by YTTV ones that matures, although who knows. GFTV is a unique service for not re-compressing, and offering stunning video quality as a result. Even FiOS today has to re-compress virtually everything into MPEG-2, since the master C-Band feeds are pretty much all MPEG-4.

    Holy crap! Here, the equivalent package is $74.95/mo before taxes and fees. GF is still a much better service, as fiber will always have higher reliability and lower latency. There's a convincing argument for cable at whatever that actually is when you subtract the rip-off gateway rental fee, but for $50/mo, cable would have to be almost free to lure me away from a 100mbps symmetrical fiber line. GF is also basically guaranteed bandwidth, since it's WDM-PON, but then again, the heavy users have all self-selected off of Comcast, so Comcast is probably pretty reliable speed wise too.

    EDIT: Fix quotes
     
  2. chiguy50

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    I can sum up by simply saying "There you go again!":rolleyes:
     
  3. Bigg

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    I know what I'm talking about, and I have both the facts and data, as well as the first-hand experience to back it all up.
     
  4. WVZR1

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    All of that in a 'One Night Stay'? I'd have thought it might have required a 2 night stay but then again .............................. I expect you've also a 'Rewards Card'
     
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  5. chiguy50

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    Your statements of opinion (and blatantly biased ones at that) have nothing to do with facts. I'm sorry that you don't want to acknowledge the difference.

    However, I think most of us here can separate the two. I only wished to correct the record for the sake of others who might be misled by your FUD. But then, you are not the only one on the internet spreading misinformation, so have at it if it pleases you. I, for one, will just simply ignore your posts from now on.:)
     
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  6. Bigg

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    What exact statement doesn't have to do with facts? I have the facts and the math to back up everything that I say, whether it is a gateway being a rip-off, or Comcast's MPEG-4 VQ being utterly garbage, it is all quantifiable fact.

    There's no record to correct, as I know what I'm talking about on both counts. Unfortunately, Comcast's greed and lack of caring about their video product affects TiVo in a big way, but that's what it is. It's DirecTV or nothing at this point. Given the pay tv market, I choose nothing. People who value pay tv content enough to shell out ~$1400/year for it can get DirecTV and have the best VQ in the industry, at the expense of their TiVo.
     
  7. mschnebly

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    I agree with you. I have Comcast here in the Twin Cities and the picture isn't DVD quality but it's pretty good on our 55" TVs. It certainly isn't crap or unwatchable. Maybe Bigg lives in an area where Comcast sucks but ours sure doesn't. You cant generalize about cable quality being crap and "know what I'm talking about".
     
  8. chiguy50

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    I believe that I am wasting my time in continuing this discussion since you either can not or (what is more likely in my opinion) do not want to acknowledge the obvious. However, I will make one last rejoinder for the sake of posterity.:rolleyes:

    Your repeated hyperbolic use of such scientifically unquantifiable and overtly subjective terms as "junk," "rip-off," and "garbage" is evidence enough that you are voicing your own biases. If you would take care to clearly identify these statements as opinion I would have no qualms with them, disagree as I might with your extremely derogatory conclusions. But, quite to the contrary, you persist in trying to foist them off as unmitigated fact even in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary such as I have presented.

    Again, if you really can not discern the distinction I have illustrated above, then all hope is lost in trying to persuade you to desist. And, sadly for you, this bias discredits anything else you might have to say that could otherwise have merit. (DISCLAIMER: As a retired military intelligence professional, I have something of a penchant for source evaluation.;)) But my main concern is for the unsuspecting public that might be misled by your disparaging FUD.

    Just to recap, I actually and wholeheartedly agree with the premise that Comcast CTV video quality is far from exemplary and, in fact, falls short of my own personal expectations as a critical viewer. But your categorical dismissals are not only inaccurate, they are blatantly misleading and evidence of a lack of concern for truthfulness.
     
  9. JoeKustra

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    Here's an idea. Let's go away and come back for the two year anniversary of this thread? :D
     
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  10. Bigg

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    The MPEG-4 cable channels are encoded nationally and distributed via IP fiber. If you have Comcast's MPEG-4 your picture quality for cable channels is garbage. Period. If you're on MPEG-2 it might be OK, depending on the channel, as those were somewhat regionalized, and inconsistent as to bitrates.

    The atrocious MPEG-4 picture quality has been well documented as fact by DSLReports, AVSForum, as well as here on TiVoCommunity.

    Local channels can vary by market, as they are often encoded by the broadcaster, not Comcast, and are different for every station in every market.

    This is a web forum, not a technical paper, but everything I've said can be easily quantified in objective, factual terms.

    1. What I said: Comcast's VQ is garbage.

    In objective terms: Comcast's implementation of MPEG-4 compression uses a bitrate and CBR encoding which is far too low to generate an HD-quality picture, and their conversion to 720p loses over half of the resolution of channels that are broadcast in 1080i. Comcast's use of CBR encoding combined with an extremely low bitrate as compared to competing services causes extensive color banding, a loss of brightness and contrast in the image, and a loss of detail that make the picture functionally equivalent to a sub-DVD quality picture during scenes with motion, and creates widespread compression artifacts.

    2. What I said: Comcast's gateway is a rip-off and a piece of crap.

    In objective terms: Comcast's gateway is controlled by Comcast, giving the user far fewer options as to how to set up their router and Wi-Fi, is an all-in-one device that does not allow for upgrading either component without upgrading the entire gateway, and over the expected life of a router and modem, costs more than double what buying an equivalent modem and router would cost.

    Happy now that I've translated everything into cold, hard, objective facts for your nitpicking? Probably not. But what I say is backed up by objective facts.

    It's just in how you write things. The facts are still the facts, and my conclusions are still 100% correct.

    That's a load of bovine fecal matter. I am not posting one bit of FUD, Comcast deserves 100% of the criticism that I give it, and no right-minded person would subscribe to Comcast's horrible TV service if they have any alternative to it like DirecTV or FiOS or something else.

    No, they are not misleading at all. They are the truth. I have seen this with my own two eyes, on a variety of different boxes, both TiVo and X1, and a variety of 1080p and 4k TVs. They look horrible to varying degrees, but it's just a case of bad-worse-worst.
     
  11. DigitalDawn

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    Bigg is 100% correct about Comcast's gateway modem/routers. Horrible performance.

    I'm a Control4 dealer and whenever there's a network problem Control4's tech support instructs us to put the Comcast router into bridge mode and set up a different router and access point.
     
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  12. Bigg

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    Very interesting. I'd imagine troubleshooting them is a real pain, as you don't have access to nearly as many options as you do with a regular router, you can't upgrade the firmware, you can't not upgrade the firmware, etc, etc.

    At least with Comcast you can toss the gateway entirely (probably outside of your scope as the HA/HT dealer, but the Comcast customer can) and get your own modem and router, whereas with AT&T and others, you're often stuck with a pseudo bridge mode.
     
  13. NorthAlabama

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    if you need the latest firmware while renting, exchange the gateway at the local office or through the mail - a great way to upgrade to the latest model and newest technology, too. in any case, comcast sends firmware updates to their gateways when needed, and in my experience, that isn't often.
     
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  14. morac

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    I never use Comcast equipment as I think it's a rip-off to use and they don't work as well, but from what I've been told by techs if you use them, Comcast can get a lot more troubleshooting info because they manage them. They can get some info from customer owned modems, but they can get more details from their own gateways. Likewise they can't get any info from TiVo boxes, but can from their own. As such any support call is much more likely to result in a truck roll if you own your own equipment and Comcast no charges for all truck rolls unless it's proven the problem comes from something outside the home (and sometimes they incorrectly charge you anyway).
     
  15. pdhenry

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    I've had a couple of truck rolls that were due to external issues (wire from the pole to the house). The techs have been great - after they fixed the external problems they made sure everything inside the house was up to snuff. The only Comcast equipment I have is CableCards in the TiVos.
     
  16. NashGuy

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    In new markets where Google Fiber is rolling out, including Louisville and San Antonio, they're not evening offering Google Fiber TV. Instead, they're offering a deal for a free Nvidia Shield Android TV box if you sign up for YouTube TV, their new OTT live TV service. Google sees the same thing that AT&T does: managed IPTV is outdated. The future is OTT. (Which is why my local AT&T installer told me that they will cease offering Uverse TV this year; I'm sure it will be replaced by their forthcoming new OTT service AT&T TV, which will be a more upscale version of DirecTV Now.)
     
  17. Bigg

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    Yeah, I've kind of been down that road. Got railroaded into renting a Comcast modem for a few months (UGH) because my modem was getting like 0.5mbps. I ended up buying another one, come to find out a year later, Comcast bungled a firmware update and broke it. UGH.

    That being said, they should be able to troubleshoot a user owned modem or TiVo just fine, but specifically with TiVo, their staff is poorly trained to do it.

    :(

    I'm skeptical. DirecTV NOW is nowhere near a managed IPTV replacement. If they get rid of U-Verse, they will shed at least a million or two decent quality pay-tv customers.
     
  18. NashGuy

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    I'm on the DTV Now beta app on Apple TV. They're still working out bugs in the cloud DVR but the rest of the service has been very solid lately with great HD picture quality, quite possibly better than DTV satellite. Lots of 1080p60 channels, and now they're rolling out 5.1 audio. The UX definitely beats Uverse TV, which I had a few years ago.

    When they unveil AT&T TV (the likely name of the upcoming OTT service), which will ride over the same underlying platform as DTV Now, but will be accessed through AT&T-issued thin client 4K HDR STBs (powered by a custom version of Android TV) with Google Assistant voice remotes, I'm pretty sure it will be seen as an upgrade to Uverse TV. And, whereas Uverse TV is restricted to AT&T Internet and AT&T Fiber customers, AT&T TV will be available to customers nationwide regardless of their ISP. Their total number of pay TV subs won't go down, it will go up.
     
  19. chiguy50

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    Could you provide any more details about the performance defects of specific products? It might help others here who have or are contemplating getting the equipment.

    I myself am particularly curious about the new (XB6) Technicolor CGM4140COM DOCSIS3.1 gateway, which looks promising but for which I have seen very little feedback.
     

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