Rovi Lineup Issues & Corrections

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  1. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    Hard to disagree with any of the above--it's preaching to the choir. I just wish that all TiVo staff, and management, were required to read the post and to actually do something about it.

    P.S. The OTA jazz? Magic stuff comes in through the air and I get often-wonderful entertainment for free, simply for agreeing to let advertisements to be played (which I then can skip over with my TiVo). ;)
     
  2. JoeKustra

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    You paid too much. The Friday episode of TDS is a special, not normal, and is scheduled for 36 minutes not the normally 31. But I get your point.
     
  3. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    Very strange to see something like this - after all, the OTA world was the ONLY video world for most of the country for over 50 years. And it is still the most simple video option:

    1. You put up most any old cheap antenna (in most places)
    2. You watch TV
    3. You don't pay anyone a monthly disgusting bill for the privileged of watching TV.
     
  4. Lurker1

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    I agree with your sentiment, but 1. is not really true. In some places yes, it is that simple. But in many places, receiving a good signal on many channels is almost a black art. In my case, it required a professional with fancy equipment to find just the right placement and orientation for my antenna to receive all ~50 local channels well most of the time.
     
  5. chiguy50

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    Not to minimize the inexcusable recurring TDS guide data screw-up, but you can catch any recent episode (as well as other Comedy Central shows) you may have missed on their website (cc.com) or via their CC app on your mobile device. These venues also afford access to special features--such as exclusive clips, extended interviews, or uncensored episodes--not available on the cable channel.
     
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    Yes, the CC app on my Roku is the backup when TiVo fails (like the episode with Obama that didn't record for some reason). But I don't enjoy using the app because it's slow to load and has commercials. There's nothing like the ease of calling up a show on TiVo and using commercial-skip.
     
  7. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I talked to someone inside TiVo last week. They admitted the data is an issue, they're aware of it, and that they're actively working to try and make it better. He also kind of admitted that because of the buyout and the contract issue with Tribune they had to rush the transition and it wasn't as smooth as they had hoped. (other companies take a year or more to do the same thing TiVo did in just a few months)
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    No it's not! It's happened several times before. This is the first time I've seen it happen for an entire week though. In the past it's only been one or two episodes in the week that had it.
     
  9. Mikeguy

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    So really, it's all Tribune's fault. ;)

    It would be kinda nice to see TiVo make some sort of a "Thank you for being patient and sticking with us during our transition" gesture to its customers; even an email. Or, TiVo plush toys for everyone?
     
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    i read somewhere that Tribune basically did drop the hammer with the end and would not give them an extension to transition everything
     
  11. Jed1

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    Tribune sold Gracenote (Tribune Media Services) to Neilson in December. I posted somewhere on this forum that the creditors that run Tribune had put the company up for sale in February of 2016. So Rovi buying TiVo was not a bad thing as the sale of Tribune was known to them at the time. Tribune also lost some of its data customers to Rovi with the exception of Comcast, which is involved in a patent law suit with Rovi (now TiVo).
    Tribune Media to Sell Gracenote for $560 Million
    Nielsen Acquires Gracenote
    Gracenote | Entertainment Data & Technology Trusted by the World's Top Entertainment Platforms and Services

    No matter what way this went it is just bad news for the TiVo retail customers. And starting Friday there is going to be new folks at the FCC who have already said they are going to roll back Wheelers rulings. I suspect some real bad news is coming our way in the coming year. The broadcasting industry has been fighting for a rewrite of the 1996 Telecom Act and now they have all the right people in all the right places to get it done.
    Elections do have consequences but I suspect the majority that voted the way they did, do not realize that there was a much bigger agenda in Congress and was blinded and deafened by the "Make America Great Again" nonsense.

    This is from an earlier article about the rumor Tribune was selling Gracenote.
    Nielsen in Advanced Talks to Acquire Gracenote to Get Better at Content Recognition (EXCLUSIVE)
     
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  12. morac

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    I don't think the rush job is the cause of the problems though. That would explain things like the new indicator being wrong for all shows or missing meta data or OnePasses transitioning incorrectly.

    In most cases the data itself is just frequently bad. For example TDS issue isn't just a TiVo box problem. It's wrong everywhere TiVo's data is used.
     
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  13. Dan203

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    They're aware of the bigger issue as well and the guy I talked to assured me they are working on improving the data. I think if they had more time they may have QCed the data ahead of time and fixed some of the issues we're dealing with before they unleashed it on the masses. That's where the time crunch caused issues.
     
  14. lpwcomp

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    "50 years" is a major exaggeration. Cable TV has been available to "most of the country" a lot longer than you seem to think.
     
  15. JoeKustra

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    My feed, SECV, has been around since 1948 when it was just a CATV system. Why? This is why:

    TV Fool

    Service Electric - Wikipedia

    But he did say "most".
     
  16. sharkster

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    It's just weird how there is more/different stuff that's wrong in the guide data every day. Today I'm seeing all kinds of new wrong stuff and tomorrow I'll see a bunch of completely different wrong stuff.
     
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    I cannot remember for sure when I first saw cable channels (although I do remember it was $4.95 a month for 'cable'), but I remember when we first had color tv.

    I think I was 12 years old (argh, that was 50 years ago - crikey!) and it was the Batman show. I was awed at the brilliance of the color and the beauty of it all. It would be interesting (kinda) to see that actual transmission now, as it would probably look like total crap. :D
     
  18. Dan203

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    I wonder how these companies get the data to begin with? I know the movie descriptions suggest they write at least some of it themselves, but what about the descriptions of individual episodes of shows?
     
  19. Dan203

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    HBO launched in 1972 along with a handful of other cable only channels. The real boon of basic cable didn't happen until the 80s though. Prior to HBO cable was only used to transmit OTA channels to people who couldn't get good reception on their own.
     
  20. lpwcomp

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    There are at least 2 problems with that theory.

    1. The side of the house that had to do the conversion has no control over the quality of the data.

    2. Every week it seems they find some new way to screw up the data. What they just did with "Six" is a perfect example of this. I see absolutely no evidence that anyone is addressing the root causes. Fixing data problems as they are found isn't going to accomplish anything in the long run.
     
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