Rovi is already killing TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Craig in PA, Aug 5, 2016.

  1. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002


    Even if the merger fails, it appears they're still switching to Rovi guide data.
  2. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    Yes, they have surely planned for this switch for quite a while. But the point is that TiVo isn't run by Rovi yet, so they aren't getting any magical treatment when it comes to converting to Rovi data.
  3. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002
    According to TiVo's official announcement, this is an "upgrade" of the guide data.
  4. morac

    morac Cat God TCF Club

    Mar 14, 2003
    Well that's a given. I guess it's incentive to make sure the merger succeeds since then there would only be one company to blame instead of two. ;)
  5. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005


    I just read that Rovi (NASDAQ: ROVI) — The entertainment-focused data analytics company signed a 10-year patent licensing renewal deal with Dish Network (NASDAQ: DISH). , don't know if this is good/bad for TiVo :confused:
  6. Krandor

    Krandor Active Member

    Jun 9, 2004

    I think it is good news since it means rovi won't be suing them anymore. Now the interesting part of the news is the agreement is contingent on the TiVo merger going through so there must be something related to dvr patents in there.
  7. tivoyahoo

    tivoyahoo New Member

    Sep 4, 2003
    Who is the guide data provider to Dish? Here's a link and excerpt on Rovi's August 19, 2016 8-K SEC filing:

  8. mdavej

    mdavej Well-Known Member

    Aug 13, 2015
  9. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    One has more words. That doesn't mean they aren't the same source. It is possible that Rovi provides both long and short descriptions and one uses the long and the other the short.

    I've seen both on different systems over the years. Short then expand for more information.
  10. tivoyahoo

    tivoyahoo New Member

    Sep 4, 2003
    did a quick peek at Get Tv, channel 373 on Dish, as the subchannel networks have seemed to be pretty good indicators of guide source. And I'm seeing program descriptions on Dish that match zap2it (Grace) word for word, and not TV Guide (Rovi) - entirely different wording - as far as what's airing right now - In the Heat of the Night. Looked ahead at other shows too. And TV guide just gives the series description, not the episode description.

    Gillespie tries to befriend the daughter he never knew when she returns to Sparta to settle her deceased mother's estate.

    Gillespie tries to befriend the daughter he never knew when she returns to Sparta to settle her deceased mother's estate.

    A white Southern police chief and a black detective put aside racial animosity to solve crimes in a Mississippi hamlet. This tense drama was inspired by the Oscar-winning 1967 film, which was based on John Ball's 1965 novel. Despite the occasional health-related absences of star Carroll O'Connor (Joe Don Baker and Carl Weathers each briefly filled the chief's chair), the series had a hearty run, premiering on NBC in 1988 before moving to CBS in 1992 for its last two seasons.

    limited data, (only quick sample of Get TV) but I'm going with Dish = Gracenote unless/until somebody has a bigger data set.
  11. rjspring

    rjspring Member

    Jul 16, 2008
    I recently got a survey. Also had to call support for an issue on one of my old premier boxes that had a network outage. Great service rendered, found I had a bad wi-fi adapter and a router issue. All replaced - lo and behold once it was back up it pulled down a software update.

    Hoping for good things in September as another thread mentioned Tivo will be debuting a new device (hopefully bolt pro) at an upcoming tech show.
  12. Series3Sub

    Series3Sub Well-Known Member

    Mar 14, 2010
    Dish uses (and has so for many years) formerly Tribune (later remaned Gracenote when Tribue purchased Gracenote), for guide data. Most recently, Nielsen has purchased Gracenote from Tribune.

    However, there are some differnces in how the same EPG data is presented among those who are licensed to use it. For example, for many years Dish only listed the first THREE actors from the metadata (TiVo listed more actors, perhaps at least 4?), and Dish only used the shorter INFO program description. Later, when Dish introduced the Hopper, Dish began using Gracenote's more at length and detailed metadata for descriptons of MOVIES (which were completly different write-ups compared to the brief metadata from the same Tribune/Gracenote service) including more than 3 actors listed to further enhance features of the Hopper line. From the start, TiVo seems to have used far more of the metadata available from Tribune, now Gracenote, most likely because TiVo had far more robust search functions than any other competing DVR provided, which also allowed TiVo recommendations as a major feature.
  13. TIVOSciolist

    TIVOSciolist Bye to High Society

    Oct 13, 2003
    I guess I should be grateful that I'm still getting the surveys even though I'm still using a TiVo Series 2. Has anyone here ever won anything from TiVo after filling out a survey?
  14. javabird

    javabird Well-Known Member

    Oct 12, 2006
    Nope. I've been doing them for a few years.
  15. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Nope. Been doing them for 5+ years and never won a prize.

    The last couple of surveys have been strange. The very first question takes me straight to the movie stuff and 75% complete. I don't know if there's earlier questions that they've determined I'm not eligible to answer, or if the survey is broken.
  16. sharkster

    sharkster Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jul 3, 2004
    I've also been on the survey panel for years and have never won anything. I have completed every one, without fault.

    But, to be fair, I tend to be unlucky so I have just attributed it to that. ;)
  17. PCurry57

    PCurry57 Liberal Hippie Chick

    Feb 27, 2012
    Dallas, TX
    I've won a $50 Amazon gift and as thanks for being a beta tester I got a neat TiVo branded stadium cushion that converts into a festival blanket.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 (SM-T817P)
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  18. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Same here. If it happens again, I'll start ignoring them. I don't mind giving them some demo data/feedback, as part of a survey, but when there really isn't a survey...
  19. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    Yes. When I used to Beta Test the TiVo software they always sent me something after each Beta Test. Either a gift card, TiVo Hat, plush doll, T-Shirt etc..

    But it's been a few years now since I was last in a Beta.
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  20. Wil

    Wil Unknown Member

    Sep 26, 2002
    We are all beta now, and there is no Tivo hat.

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