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  1. Sep 15, 2016 #861 of 1288
    morac

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    So my box has guide data now, but it's not scheduling recordings for shows like The Late Show and @Midnight because it thinks they aren't new.

    The @Midnight episode for tomorrow is titled "September 15, 2016" so it's definitely new.

    I'm pretty sure The Late Show is new all week as well even though it says it's a repeat (season 2 episode 7).
     
  2. Sep 15, 2016 #862 of 1288
    BRiT wtfdotcom

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    So some of the "To Be Announced" is removed.

    Now some of my channels have incorrect programming listed starting on Monday 2016-09-19, such as the ElRey Network (137 and 1137 on Cox Cable 44134). It doesn't list the "From Dusk Til Dawn" show at all on Tuesday night but instead has blocks of "Miami Vice" listed.

    Looks like it's time to file out more incorrect show listings tomorrow if it's not corrected by then.
     
  3. Sep 15, 2016 #863 of 1288
    morac

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    Looks like the problem is that the box won't record any program without a First Aired date, saying it's a repeat.

    Neither The Late Show with Stephen Colbert nor @Midnight have First Aired dates this week, so they aren't being recorded.
     
  4. Sep 15, 2016 #864 of 1288
    Space

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    Just set it to "New & Repeat", that is what I've been doing on my WMC machine and has worked fairly well for over a year. You soon discover that this is what you have to do with Rovi data unless they fix the OAD issues at some point.
     
  5. Sep 15, 2016 #865 of 1288
    jlb

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    Yeah, I've done that for years on my TiVoHD. And I would then usually look at OADs weekly. But if it doesn't have one, then my worst case scenario is...hey this looks familiar i think we have already watched this one.....or something like that. That's not ideal but it's better than no recordings....IMHO


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  6. Sep 15, 2016 #866 of 1288
    JoeKustra

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    One change is the missing OAD (like in first show date) when a generic description is displayed. I see this on late night. But we do get longer history lessons of those shows. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Sep 15, 2016 #867 of 1288
    TonyD79

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    Okay. So either they changed the logic or the logic wasn't exactly what we thought it was. Seems like it is a compounded problem. The logic doesn't actually fail safe to record just in case.

    It is odd that network shows like the tonight show don't have OAD but the daily show does.

    Extra data. I have two nbc channels. I just set the tonight show to record with new and repeat on all channels. It knows that they are duplicates without OAD as it picks the lower channel one and says the other is a duplicate. So the 28 day rule still holds even without OAD. It is recording both next week when the data is pure generic (no guest info).
     
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  8. Sep 15, 2016 #868 of 1288
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    The problem with that is for shows on Comedy Central and other channels shows repeat all the time.
     
  9. Sep 15, 2016 #869 of 1288
    morac

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    It will fail safe and record if there is generic info for the episode (not episode specific) even if there is no First Aired date. The problem is it won't record if there is episode specific data, but the first aired date is missing. It assumes it's a repeat and doesn't record it.

    "First Aired" is a Rovi specific field. The old OAD filed was GraceNote. It looks like TiVo didn't code processing the new field similar to how it worked with the old one. That or Gracenote never had missing OADs.

    If Rovi guide has the problem frequently, then the only "solution" is to change the TiVo software to record these "repeats".
     
  10. Sep 15, 2016 #870 of 1288
    jlb

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    I wonder if/how this was all along.... at least on my TiVoHD, for years, I would ALWAYS see a repeat flag on The Tonight Show/Kimmel/etc regardless of if it was new or not. Maybe there was an endemic problem all along that is just now manifesting itself.....
     
  11. Sep 15, 2016 #871 of 1288
    TonyD79

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    It appears the missing OAD is telling it it is repeat but only if there is specific data. That is logic contrary to itself and should be fixed even if the OADs are added.
     
  12. Sep 15, 2016 #872 of 1288
    rainwater

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    It is highly doubtful they changed the recording logic. The issue is Gracenote didn't provide episode info without a OAD so no one knew this loophole existed. The issue for TiVo is to fix the OAD dates. There should be no need to change the recording logic. TiVo clearly knows the OAD if they have episode info. They just need to make sure the OAD is being added.
     
  13. Sep 15, 2016 #873 of 1288
    Scott J

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    I've had a "new only" season pass/1Pass set up for Kimmel for years and I've always seen the episodes tagged with new and episodes that were repeats didn't have a new tag/weren't recorded. The only time a repeat got recorded was if there was the generic show description with no ESI and the series OAD, which goes back to the fail-safe discussed in the last few posts.
     
  14. Sep 15, 2016 #874 of 1288
    FitzAusTex

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    Changing 1Ps from New to New and Repeats is not as easy as it sounds for me. I have 140 1Ps, and 99% of them are set up for the specific channel they first air on. If I change a 1P for a show that is not currently airing (Game of Thrones, for example) the channel gets changed to All in the 1P).

    Thus I wouldn't want to change most of them now, as God knows how many of the 140 1Ps would start recording unwanted (repeats) episodes, given how the new/repeat logic does, or doesn't, currently work.

    I'd have to micromanage changing my 1Ps as each show's season begins, and its premier episode was listed in the guide, as I only really have 1Ps for PBS, HBO, SHO, MAX and STZ, it happens all year long, and each episode is repeated so many times and on so many of each premium network's channels. Augh.
     
  15. Sep 15, 2016 #875 of 1288
    Steve

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    I want to keep up to 10 L&O:SVU USA reruns for my wife, but I want the NBC first run episodes to be KUID. Since you can't have two one-passes for the same show, I set up a OP for L&O SVU on USAHD only, new & repeats, KAM 10. I also set up a wish list for keyword "special victims", new only, KUID.

    What's I'm seeing is two L&O:SVU folders showing up in my playlist, with every USA re-run in both of them. Presumably one folder is for the wish list. The USA episodes are not marked "new", so I'm wondering is this a Rovi data issue (bug) or a TiVo list parsing issue (design)?
     
  16. Sep 15, 2016 #876 of 1288
    b_scott

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    I haven't had any issues in Chicago with regard to "TBA" stuff. I've had a couple funky times where programs are recorded that are not new and new currently airing new episodes, because of generic descriptions. Not a huge deal but it better change.
     
  17. Sep 15, 2016 #877 of 1288
    b_scott

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    I swore about 6-12 months ago it was changed so that you can add shows to a pass even if they're not airing in the current data set. I searched for Channel Zero which airs soon but not in 11 days, and it doesn't even come up. Was this changed with Rovi?
     
  18. Sep 15, 2016 #878 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    It's probablyy more a case of the new program information provider not creating an entry for a show before it needs to. Yet another wonderful feature of this "more accurate" data. So far all practical purposes, the ability no longer exists. The ones I created prior to the conversion probably won't work.

    It's particularly stupid for "Channel Zero" since it debuts in less than 2 weeks.
     
  19. Sep 15, 2016 #879 of 1288
    TonyD79

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    It is still a flaw and should be fixed.
     
  20. Sep 15, 2016 #880 of 1288
    TonyD79

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    More data.

    OAD shows for the tonight show on TV guide. Didn't check before. Either they are adding it or there is a bug server side.
     

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