Rovi Guide

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Yes, I added that after I posted. Didn't think about a connection screwing me up after I checked, but good point.

 

The guide data looks much better now when viewing the TiVo iOS app. It looks like TiVo fixed the server data. Will take a connection and indexing to push down to the boxes.

 

"perfectly"? LOL, never going to happen. Even Gracenote wasn't perfect.

But as of now the Rovi data looks like it's back to how it was five or six days ago. Mostly usable for most people (unless you like sports), few TBA listings, and none of the big "<Channel Name> Programming" blocks, but still lots of incorrect OADs and such. So back to the new normal.

 

yes, looking much better tonight, down from 300 instances "tba" to around 30.

 

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I'm also experiencing the TO BE ANNOUNCED problems with the aforementioned talk shows.

I have been having lots of problems with having to recreate Wish Lists and OnePasses. One case was a wishlist with the exact same working and categories! It didn't auto record until I deleted and recreated it.

So between bugs like that and flat out bogus guide data, I'm a bit displeased with the new TiVo overlords.

 

They do have to get it good for the FanTiVo software rollout and update coming out tomorrow along with the Bolt+ after all!

 

I have over 50 TBA listings after the update today. Hardly a few.

 

Just got the message on my TiVoHD tonight. I'll try to let things happen naturally as nothing is scheduled to record the next 3 days that I care about.

Hoping my sub to just locals helps make it a smoother experience than others have had....



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I just hope for most folks things are mostly ironed out before Monday night


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Tomorrow is the last day for the S1 TiVos to get a guide update. There is some S2 owners reporting that those units are now updating so it looks like tomorrow is it for Gracenote data.
So far my TiVos has not missed a recording in the two weeks I have the new data. The only issue is I can't create a 1P for Bull using new only. I have to use season one and new and repeats in the 1P.
I did finally lose 6 or so rerecordings of Last Week Tonight in my ToDo list only to have that replaced with 7 rerecordings of Survivors Remorse after the new one records Sunday night. Hopefully by then that will be fixed.

 

The more I think about it I may do ok with the update. I usually use first run and repeats for each season pass on my locals only sub. Plus, I tend to review the coming week each weekend looking for anomalies anyways so hoping for the best.

Thinking positively


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My fios box (gracenote) has 11 through Sunday. Sometimes TBA is TBA. I have 20 through the same period on TiVo but 4 of them are little gaps between games on extra innings.

 

Mine has about 10 near the end of the guide which I am sure it normal. But the 40 or so in the next 6 days is very troubling. I would not be bothered if they were 9-12 days out. I do not worry about guide data that far. But I do want it to exist when closer to the current day.

 

I got a question. I thought if TiVo didn't know the OAD, it assumed the show was new. That's why it records a ton of crap when it has no idea and why the generic wish list workaround. And it is a safeguard to record more than you need rather than miss things. Deliberate design.

So why does it suddenly think a show with no OAD is a rerun? What happened to the fail safe to record rather than miss?

 

That's why I've always used first run and repeats in my SPs. Mostly for the late night talk shows which always seem to say rerun rather than new. It's seemed that way to me for years. If I get data populated, and only the new/rerun markers are wrong then I may be ok, except if they muck up eipisode titles or # causing the 28 day rule to kick in.

But as I said further up, i tend to review the todo list and the will not record list weekly anyways.


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It is definitely different now. However, it seems when it is generic data with no OAD it is considered "New". But Rovi has so many listings with actual data and no OAD. This is what is not considered new. With gracenote, you rarely had actually data for a show with no OAD. Generally you always had generic data if there was no OAD.

 

Who knows what changes they made since they now have "more accurate" data, but the way I remember it was that a show with an OAD that was the OAD of the first episode got scheduled by a NEW only 1P/SP. If the OAD was missing, it was not.

 

Getting 24 hr USA & AMC programming and made my TiVo miss recording Mr Robot and sports is horrible not all say who is playing. I'll give TiVo 3 months but that is about it. Good thing I have TWC's DVR as a backup.

 

I noticed it was fixed for next week after 1 update, then another update seemed to fix the rest of this week.

I don't think they have fixed episode numbers and things like that yet.

Anyway this is much better. Still have to report some minor lineup issues.

-David

 

To try to clarify the OAD issue:

An episode either has episode specific info (ESI), or it does not.

ESI includes: the title of the episode, description of the episode, the date the episode originally aired (OAD), actors and guest actors in the episode, etc. Note that the ESI associated with any particular episode does not have to include all this data (it may only include the title of the episode, for instance).

If an episode of a particular show does not have ESI, then the TiVo will display the information it has about the series as a whole, this usually will be a generic description of the series as well as an OAD which is actually the date that the series as a whole first started airing (usually the OAD of the S01E01 episode) so it is not the real OAD of that particular episode.

It appears that if TiVo finds an episode that has no ESI, it will schedule it to record (just to be safe). However, if the episode does have ESI, but that ESI data is missing the OAD, it will NOT record that episode if you have the setting of "NEW only".

The logic is something like this if you have it set to only record NEW episodes:

Code:

1) Does the episode have ESI?
   NO: Record the episode.  Done.
  YES: Go to step 2

2) Does ESI data have OAD?
   NO: Do not record the episode. Done.
  YES: Go to step 3

3) Is abs(<air_date> - OAD) <= 28 days?
  YES: Record the episode, it is considered NEW. Done.
   NO: Do not record the episode. Done.

I think this is a bug with TiVo code. In the step 2, NO clause, it should record the episode, instead of not recording it. The reason this has probably not been fixed is because the Gracenote data probably (almost?) always had an OAD with all ESI, so the problem never manifested itself.