Rovi Guide

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  1. Sep 14, 2016 #821 of 1288
    cwoody222

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    Is there any hope in getting more accurate data in terms of reruns?

    The Rovi data seems WAY worse with episodes and first run info and I'm already sick of monitoring my ToDo List to remove reruns and repeat recordings.
     
  2. Sep 14, 2016 #822 of 1288
    Space

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    I have to say that while Rovi data leaves much to be desired, as a WMC user, for the most part I don't usually have many issues (at least for the shows I record, which are all first-run episodes on broadcast and cable networks). So if people are seeing a lot of repeats then it is probably either sports programming, or from channels that have chronic issues or some other anomaly due to the TiVo data import.

    What I have done since the WMC Rovi switch-over is to set all the shows I record as a "My fave" on zap2it.com.

    I then look at "View my calendar" (link at top of TV Listings) once a week and it displays all the airings of all of the "My faves". I can quickly scroll down through them looking for the blue "NEW" tag and making sure my WMC has them each scheduled to record. It works fairly well.

    I would estimate that I have to force WMC to record a show that wasn't being recorded due to bad Rovi data about once or twice a month. I can't say I have much of an issue with multiple recordings of the same episode. I normally only check 7 or 8 days of listings, as anything farther out than that is less accurate and will most likely be corrected on it's own. If it is not corrected, the check I do the following week will discover it and I can correct it then.
     
  3. Sep 14, 2016 #823 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    IMHO, a combination of a number of things:

    Rovi bought TiVo to get the patents. They don't really care that much about the retail DVR market.

    The program information/guide data provider side of the combined company doesn't think there is any problem with the data. After all, none of their other customers are complaining. The end users (TiVo owners) are not their customer. The DVR side of the company is.

    They aim to provide what they consider to be "adequate" data as cheaply as possible.

    The DVR side of the company is a "captive" customer.

    If WMC is still available, that's probably the best option.
     
  4. Sep 14, 2016 #824 of 1288
    TonyD79

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    Does rovi care about the mso market? You know, the growing market for TiVo.

    When someone says they don't care about the retail market about the guide data, the conveniently forget the large amount of mso menu.
     
  5. Sep 14, 2016 #825 of 1288
    Jed1

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    Not really. Microsoft has ended support for WMC for quite a while. It is no longer available with the new OS windows 10.
    Gemstar data which was bought by Macrovision and called themselves Rovi now own TiVo.
    Microsoft changed guide data to Rovi since the creditors have put Tribune, including Gracenote, up for sale. At any time Microsoft can pull the plug on WMC and end guide data. If the creditors pull the pull the plug on Gracenote, as they have lost a lot of customers, then TiVo will be the last standing guide data provider in the North American market. There is FYI but they have having financial difficulties of their own.

    If TiVo (Rovi) decides to end consumer DVRs then it is game over. You can then go back to cable/sat DVR, which mostly use TiVo guide data, and be satisfied with whatever Arris makes for the cable ops as Arris is the last standing STB manufacturer in the North American market.

    Isn't capitalism grand?
     
  6. Sep 14, 2016 #826 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    Capitalism is grand. Too bad that what we have for the most part is crony capitalism, AKA fascism.
     
  7. Sep 14, 2016 #827 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    What "growing market for TiVo"? The mso's are headed in a direction that will destroy TiVo.

    Did you have a self-correct error? This sentence makes no sense.
     
  8. Sep 14, 2016 #828 of 1288
    Tolo90

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    First, I did resurrect my WMC computer and downloaded http://epg123.garyan2.net/ , that replaces Microsoft guide data,
    and subscribed to http://schedulesdirect.org for guide data, free for 30 days, $6 for 2 mo., $25 for a year, that gives the Zap2It guide data we used to have, works great, accurate guide data for my zip. One can select from a huge list of available call letters for your zip. I have read that Tribune/Gracenote/Zap2It are in receivership, and likely to go under soon. So who knows how long this will last. Have wondered if Tivo deal with Rovi may be because Tivo was also on the brink of going under. Perhaps Rovi actualy saved Tivo.

    I also did some reading on google about Rovi's past, they have purchased in the past two companies that had set top boxes, Rovi ditched the DVR section of both companies. One article about the merger, indicated that Rovi bought Tivo just for the patents, and could care less about their DVR. Another article indicated that Rovi provides guide data for a huge number of cable companies, and just signed a deal to provide data for DirecTV. Interesting that the data for those companies must be good enough. So, why is the guide so crumby on Tivo?
     
  9. Sep 14, 2016 #829 of 1288
    KDeFlane

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    San Jose/San Francisco Bay Area is not a small market. I see errors in primetime, late night, afternoon, various networks. It's as inconsistent and full of holes as swiss cheese.

    I see a single 13-hour block listed as "BBC America programming". The guide gives me "The Daily Show" on Comedy Central followed by an unidentified half-hour block where "@midnight" should be. The descriptions for "Jeopardy!" have reverted to a generic description and no episode numbers, making the new season in the evenings indistinguishable from afternoon syndication filler. I'm manually setting a recording for tonight's "mr.robot" because I check zap2it every day and compare it to my ToDo list.

    The only problem I am not having is the horror of having my channels remapped. Cheers!
     
  10. Sep 14, 2016 #830 of 1288
    aaronwt

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    Mr. Robot is still scheduled for me here on my Bolt and Roamio Pro.
     
  11. Sep 14, 2016 #831 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    Atlanta is not a small market either.

    The lineup issues may be mostly limited to smaller markets, The data issues are everywhere.
     
  12. Sep 14, 2016 #832 of 1288
    Jed1

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    That is easy the guide itself is TiVo's. The only thing that is Gemstars (Rovi) is the data. TiVo just gets the raw data and then manipulates it for there own use. They did the same with TMS (Gracenote). The only thing is TiVo has been using TMS data for a long time so they had many years to customize the data to fit their needs. What I see as the big issue is since Rovi now owns TiVo they are trying to manipulate their original data to fit the TiVo and that is what is causing the main data base errors.
    And as I have stated a dozen times before Gemstar data was designed to work with Gemstar guides. If TiVo just got rid of their guide and used Gemstar's TV Guide on Screen Guide, most of these issues could have been averted.
    TVGOS is both the TiVo grid guide and Live Guide together and also would eliminate the need for TiVo Central as that would be included in the guide.
    Also the guide would be in all HD since that was accomplished by Gemstar in 2001.
    Gemstar has been doing electronic guides and guide data way before TiVo was invented and most of the features that are in guides was invented and patented by Gemstar.
     
  13. Sep 14, 2016 #833 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    Jed1,

    That's complete nonsense. The problem isn't the guide, it's the data. The guide simply makes the data problems more visible.
     
  14. Sep 14, 2016 #834 of 1288
    HarperVision

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    The reason they aren't concentrating on fixing this interim software change to Rovi is because they're concentrating on the BIG software update that is about to happen when they release the Bolt+, or soon thereafter, that I like to call "FanTiVo". :)
     
  15. Sep 14, 2016 #835 of 1288
    keenanSR

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    Yup, it catches "Suits" but misses "Mr. Robot". So much for setting it and forgetting it, right now it would be wise to check every show to be sure it's going to be recorded, what a mess. It sort of trashes everything that TiVo is about.

    So I scheduled it to record and I now have an 8 hr block of "USA Programming" that's going to be recorded. :rolleyes:
     
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  16. Sep 14, 2016 #836 of 1288
    TonyD79

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    Tell that to the increasing number of mso deployed tivos.

    And only the big guys are going in a way hat "destroys" TiVo.

    The world might change in 10 years but you can make a heck of a lot of money before it does.
     
  17. Sep 14, 2016 #837 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    TiVo has known about these data problems for a long time and knew that it would create major issues with the scheduler. Despite that, there is still no evidence that the program information side of the house is addressing the root causes.
     
  18. Sep 14, 2016 #838 of 1288
    TIVO_GUY_HERE

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    I lost count on how many threads there are about messed up guides, I Think there are in every sub forum except maybe - the Meets & Local happenings forum :)

    Too many to read, I'm just gonna wait till I see one that says:

    Rovi guide is working perfectly.

    In the meantime I will have to go back to checking my tivo every Saturday ( correction, maybe nightly) and make corrections for upcoming week, like I use to do, in the olden times when I only had 2 tuners.
     
  19. Sep 14, 2016 #839 of 1288
    lessd

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    I have the exact experience as you in CT.
     
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    NorthAlabama

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    my humble suggestion would be nightly, and only following a daily connection...
     

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