Rovi Guide

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  1. Sep 13, 2016 #781 of 1288
    FitzAusTex

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    If you do a search on To Be Announced there is a shocking number of matches/View other showings.

    On a different topic, I knew I relied on OAD significantly, but this past week has beyond affirmed that belief. I watch nearly exclusively the less popular sports (in the USA) - soccer, tennis, Formula One, volleyball, track, gymnastics swimming, diving, and given that many of these are rarely live, it's really important to know if it is even from this week, or from last January. I reckon the popular sports in the USA will continue to improve, but I'm not confident for many of the sports I watch. Rovi data completely sucks given what I typically record.

    And I can't believe Rovi is/has been getting away with 95% of movies (on premiums) having No Rating. Screws up Parental Controls, and you'd think there would be regulatory/legal implications with this.
     
  2. Sep 13, 2016 #782 of 1288
    L David Matheny

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    I'm OTA only, and I also see To Be Announced listings sprinkled through my Roamio's guide (OTA). For example, for the rest of this week: Dr Oz is replaced by To Be Announced, and the Tonight Show and Late Night are together replaced by one To Be Announced that ends at 2:06am. TV.com seems to have the same error, while TVguide.com doesn't even show my local NBC station (using the correct market). Zap2It is correct.

    My Roamio lists On The Money for 9am Sunday on my local Fox station (correctly), but it also lists it on my local CBS station, which I'm sure is incorrect. TV.com is similarly incorrect, but Zap2It lists CBS News Sunday Morning on the CBS station. And many shows are scheduled to record multiple times because (presumably) the listings lack season and episode information.
     
  3. Sep 13, 2016 #783 of 1288
    FitzAusTex

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    Mine shows TBA this Thursday where Thursday Night Football should be on CBS.
     
  4. Sep 13, 2016 #784 of 1288
    aaronwt

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    Thursday night Football is scheduled to be recorded for me this Thursday on CBS. And next week's is also scheduled.

    Although I thought they were alternating between NBC and CBS?

    Edit: it also shows up in the guide for the next two weeks. No TBA showing.
     
  5. Sep 13, 2016 #785 of 1288
    Space

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    Yep. As for making some progress and then reverting back again, this is SOP for Rovi it seems.

    With the WMC cutover to Rovi, one if the issues were that some channels had no episode specific info (ESI) on any of the shows. They would eventually fix that problem, with shows starting to have ESI, but then a week later, it was back to no ESI again. This happened several times and I am not quite sure if they completely fixed it on these channels (since I don't monitor this anymore and don't watch the channels involved).

    There were other channels that did not have ESI (while Gracenote did), but I guess no one ever complained about it (or their complaints were ignored) because they were never fixed.

    Another thing about Rovi is that if you report a problem, and you are fortunate enough to get it fixed, that is the ONLY thing they fix. If there is a channel were some shows have ESI and some don't and you tell them a few of the shows that don't have ESI, they will fix those shows, but leave the ones you didn't mention with no ESI. You would think they would be proactive and say "oh, these shows are missing ESI, let me look at the other shows on this channel as well and fix those too", nope, they do the minimal amount of work required to fix it, and then don't even make sure it remains fixed.

    I think it is worse not only because of the larger scope of users, but they are also having more problems with the "To Be Announced" all over the guide. Don't get me wrong, we had that too (and still do) but it wasn't for as many shows or shows that were on major networks.
    I am not seeing this TBA issue on WMC, so I'm thinking it may be a problem specific to the import of data on the TiVo (also don't see it on tvguide.com, other than the normal ones seen scattered about on various channels).
     
  6. Sep 13, 2016 #786 of 1288
    rainwater

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    It is hard to see on tvguide.com because it looks like the previous program just extends into the TBA area. But it is in the same places on tvguide as it is on TiVo.
     
  7. Sep 13, 2016 #787 of 1288
    Space

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    I think the problem may be just with certain local stations, because I am not seeing some of the same things being reported in my lineup on tvguide.com.
     
  8. Sep 13, 2016 #788 of 1288
    rainwater

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    Its on USAHD, BravoHD, CNBCHD, AMCHD, OxygenHD, MTVHD, etc. The list goes on and on. Those are national channels, not affiliates or regional networks. Just scroll through the guide a few hours and you will see TBA or "USAHD Programming", etc. Even affiliate channels like NBC are missing both late night shows for the rest of this week.

    Note: You will never see TBA on tvguide.com. The previous program just extends where the TBA is.
     
  9. Sep 13, 2016 #789 of 1288
    Space

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    Nope, not seeing that. Can you give me some specific examples? Is this problem viewable on tvguide.com (a search for "USAHD Programming" returns nothing)
     
  10. Sep 13, 2016 #790 of 1288
    brandenwan

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    You think TBA is bad? I saw this on my guide (pictured below) and was ready to throw my Roamio out the window. BBC America and LOGO have time blocks with no data! This is just one example. (The show pictured on BBCA is Weird Science btw :) ) I began to hate WMC after they switched from Zap2It to Rovi and now I hate Tivo for becoming "Rivo" and using their messy guide data.
    • Shows are being labeled HD when they are not
    • Shows that are repeats are being labeled as "New" 1st run, producing multiple recordings of the same show
    • Tivo Suggestions has become inconsistent
    • I still get generic artwork from time to time, but then it disappears.
    • Too many generic descriptions (like they were too lazy to bother.)
    Tivo Suggestions has suddenly become mental and has begun recording crap that baffles the mind...Infomercials, Paid Programming labeled: "Consumer" and some strange shows on local TV; it even tried to record Chesapeake Shores but I caught it! I was ready to douse the box in lighter fluid and set it on fire. NO!, what next? Cedar Cove? The show that turns my brain off at the mere sight of the show's logo? NO!
    I will give them 6 months. If they don't fix the ridiculousness, I'm done.
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  11. Sep 13, 2016 #791 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    The first game of the season was not actually "Thursday Night Football". It was a "Special Thursday edition of Sunday Night Football" as is the Thanksgiving game. Weeks 2-7 are on CBS and NFL network. Weeks 8-10 are NFL Network only. Weeks 11-16 (except week 12 - Thanksgivin) are NBC and NFL Network.
     
  12. Sep 13, 2016 #792 of 1288
    rainwater

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    Weather Channel HD: 9/14 8pm-4am
    AMCHD : 9/14 8pm - 4am
    OxygenHD: All day on 9/14

    To be fair, many of these channels do not even show up on tvguide.com for me anymore. Maybe Rovi has just decided to remove channels completely instead of providing guide data.
     
  13. Sep 13, 2016 #793 of 1288
    Big Deficit

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    Besides the guide data disappearing, requiring multiple reboots to get it back and a plethora of TBA's? I've had to redo almost all of my auto recording wishlists. I've used them in the past for mostly sports that appear on multiple channels. For my old trusty and true manual record NFL Football wishlist that let me easily manage the padding on my two tuner units, I gave up trying to find keywords that would work and replaced it with 4 1p's that I now need to check padding once a week. It'll work, but not elegant. So, if any of my tivo's die, what are my non-Tivo replacement options?
     
  14. Sep 13, 2016 #794 of 1288
    Space

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    OK, I see it now, on tvguide.com the channels just vanish on that day and on tv.com it says "to be announced". That is just messed up.

    I think I should try to block any updates on my WMC machine until this is fixed because currently it does not have this issue, but that may just be because the last guide download was yesterday morning.
     
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    HerronScott

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    I verified that I'm seeing the same thing on AMCHD and OxygenHD (Comcast in Staunton VA).

    Scott
     
  16. Sep 13, 2016 #796 of 1288
    morac

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    Aren't there cable and/or satellite providers that use Rovi data? I find it hard to believe no one has noticed the problem.
     
  17. Sep 13, 2016 #797 of 1288
    brandenwan

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    THEY NEED TO FIX THIS!!!:mad:
     
  18. Sep 13, 2016 #798 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    A better question would be - Why didn't TiVo notice and do something about it? Of course the answer to that is obvious.
     
  19. Sep 13, 2016 #799 of 1288
    rainwater

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    Obviously it is a disaster right now but my real issue with Rovi is that there seems to be no quality control and no protections in place for bad data. Sure, they can fix a few programs that have bad data. But can they stop creating bad data in the first place? Things like having wrong lengths of time for sporting events that start/stop at the same time every single week just lead me to believe they have no built-in protections for bad data. Hopefully with TiVo now a part of them, there will be a push to fix it. But I am not very optimistic that will happen anytime soon.
     
  20. Sep 13, 2016 #800 of 1288
    lpwcomp

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    I said at least twice previously, the problems at Rovi are systemic. It's not just that they have no quality control to correct errors, they have no processes in place to create quality data in the first place.
     

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