Rovi Data and TivoHD?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by km, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. Russell_

    Russell_ New Member

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    Are those getting 11.0n.J1 part of a beta program or is it rolling out to the all?
     
  2. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    You didn't answer if the others had already upgraded to 11.0n.H1 yet?

    Scott
     
  3. HerronScott

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    Well that's not accurate. All of the shows that I'm recording at this time which are active have season and episode information. There are some that do not and some where it's incorrect (TiVo said they need to "map" the asset?), but note that it does not use this information to decide what's new.

    That's the OAD/First Aired information which again for my shows is OK, but has been a big issue especially for sports.

    Other than 1 corrupt 1P on our Roamio, this change hasn't impacted the recording of our shows yet but I am paying more attention to the ToDo list (note that we don't record sports or new or have ARWL which seem to have the biggest impact due to the guide data change outside of lineup issues).

    Scott
     
  4. karpodiem

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    They had not. They were running a very old build, 11.0K. Had the TiVos sitting in a closet.

    The single unit I had running 11.0n.H1 was enrolled in the beta program that they were asking TSN's for, back in February or so? That unit running 11.0n.H1 was upgraded to 11.0n.J a few days ago - that was the TiVo I took a backup from, and imaged all the other TiVos.

    Interestingly, even with all the units on 11.0n.J, they all only have two days worth of guide data. This is after a forced network connection to the TiVo service. Hopefully they get new data soon?
     
  5. HerronScott

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    I'm still not so sure it's a good idea to image a TiVo with the 11.0n.J1 software that hasn't had its TSN mapped for the Rovi data. I would have just connected them and let them at least get to 11.0n.H1 through the normal process first. It will be interesting to see if you get any more data loaded with service connections so let us know (although hard to tell at what point those would have been mapped for the update and Rovi data - could have already happened).

    Scott
     
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  6. karpodiem

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    Worse comes to worse I'll reach out to Margret.
     
  7. cogx

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    So, does the existence of an 11.0n.J1 (beta) version suggest we all will eventually need another software upgrade or could that version be to address an issue for only a subset of customers either related to specific TiVo model(s) or perhaps for customers of a specific cable provider? The TiVo hackers out there (on a different forum) have seen the J version for the 652 model, but I see no reference yet for the 648 model like I have. I'd like to think that part of it is behind me and I can just hope they eventually get lineup changes I requested made and then I can move on with my life.
     
  8. HerronScott

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    I would expect that unlike the 11.0n.B1 that only seemed to go to 652's primarily in Comcast markets for the MPEG4 update, that eventually the 11.0n.J1 would go out to all assuming it tests successfully. I wouldn't worry about it though as it should just be like any other normal update that we've received in the past except for the Rovi guide change. :)

    Scott
     
  9. Philtho

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    I've got 11.0n.H1-01-2-652 and I noticed quite a few season passes are no longer working. Shows like American Horror Story 6 needed to be reset up, and it no longer distinguishes between Bering Sea Gold and Bering Sea Gold: Under the Ice (Two different shows).

    It also no longer shows season and episode numbers... Is this a Series 3 only thing? Is it time for me to upgrade? I kind of need this info, I've had many shows where I needed to find out which is what.
     
  10. pL86

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    Unfortunately, no, the missing season and episode numbers is not limited to Series 3, it's a hole in the Rovi data that affects all Tivos. I don't know how an electronic program guide could be missing something as fundamental as season and episode data but here we are. If you go over to the Coffee House section, you'll find two threads devoted to the Rovi switch that are 23 and 34 pages long, respectively. Let's just say they're not filled with praise for the switch. Many, although not all, shows are missing season and episode data and it's wreaking havoc.
     
  11. HerronScott

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    American Horror Story has always required a new SP each year. Had you already set one up for this years series before the update? I don't record Bering Sea Gold so can't comment on that one.

    Episode number does seem to be missing although not all shows had it before (Chopped had it before but not on ones recorded since the update but Grimm didn't have it before the update either).

    Scott
     
  12. ej42137

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    I got 11.0n.J1 without being in any beta program. When it went from H1 to J1 it went through the six hour guide refresh process again.

    The migrated provider data for my Roamio is:
    Time Warner Cable SD HollywoodWestchester Standard Cable *​
    but my Series 3 migrated provider data is:
    Time Warner Cable SD Lomita Standard Cable *​
    I live in Westchester; Lomita is on the other side of Los Angeles. The channel map for the two providers is identical except for the name of the local access channels.
    For the Series 3 there is also a provider choice of:
    Time Warner Cable HD HollywoodWestchester Standard Cable *​
    for my ZIP code, but when I reran guided setup making that choice I didn't have any guide data so I quickly changed back to the migrated provider. It appears to me like some of the providers that TiVo/Rovi lists are not (yet?) populated with guide data. Or I could be running into the problem some are having with the guide data not successfully loading on the first try.
     
  13. karpodiem

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    Yeah, I noticed the same thing with guided setup.

    Comcast Standard (what was presented to me upon 11.0n.J guided setup) vs. Comcast Digital (what I was presented with before)

    Haven't noticed any channel discrepancies, yet.
     
  14. lpwcomp

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    :confused: I've got almost all of the previous 3 seasons of "Grimm" and every one has a Season and Episode #.
     
  15. HerronScott

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    This is on your S3 or HD? I usually see Episode on the program screen and Episode Num if you hit Info on the S3 if a show has that information. None of the 89 episodes that were recorded on that S3 OLED have an Episode entry for us (up to January 2016).

    The ones recorded on the Roamio are a different matter and have both (started last fall when we got the Roamio), but we were talking about S3/HD's here.

    Scott
     
  16. lpwcomp

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    John's...
    Well, they all have epsisodeNumber in the metadata but that may be built from the components by kmtttg.

    I don't think I have one on either my Premiere or S2 so can't check in the SDUI. The only thing I could do would be to pull one and it would probably get set by the transfer. My THD died a while back.

    In any case, episodeNumber was often unreliable.

    Sorry I failed to notice the context. Too many threads on similar subjects and my response was written during the break of a poker game.
     
  17. HerronScott

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    I looked back at the rest of the series that we have recorded on the 2 S3's and Grimm was one of the few that didn't have it before the update. Most of the rest had it (Flash, Arrow, Gotham Chopped, Dr Who, Elementary, Grey's Anatomy, iZombie, Dark Matter, Wayward Pines, The Librarians, Supernatural, Supergirl, Star Trek) and it was accurate for those at least.

    Scott
     
  18. karpodiem

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    Looks like the guide data came through for the next few weeks on all my 11.0n.J1 boxes, I'm all set.
     
  19. HerronScott

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    Good to hear!

    Scott
     
  20. SC0TLANDF0REVER

    SC0TLANDF0REVER I Love my TiVo!

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    Just ran into this "Upgrade" on my OLED S3. Horrible timing to do this right before the Fall Premieres.

    Was there a federal deadline to meet or something?
     

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