Romio Disk Questions - Some Redundant, I’m Sure

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  1. jasel

    jasel New Member

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    Sorry if these questions have been answered before, but I don’t want to make an avoidable mistake.

    I have a Romio Pro with an apparent HD failure.

    Question
    #1: Do Romio, Romio Plus and Romio Pro all use the same drives?

    #2: I’ve watched a YouTube showing taking a disk from Amazon and simply installing where the old one was, and TiVo did all the setup without having to do anything else. I recall more than a decade ago having to initialize/format/prepare a drive in a PC before it was ready to use in the TiVo. Is this not the case anymore.

    #3 I see WD Red disks mentioned frequently. Is Red Plus (5400rpm) adequate? Or do I want Red Pro (7200rpm) to work properly? Or something else altogether?

    #4: Weaknees offers a 6tb drive for $400. Amazon wants < $200 for a WD Red Pro (WD6003FFBX). Same drive? Reason to spend twice as much (I have Torx wrenches already)? Probably easier to return to Amazon if it doesn’t work, too. Is the WD6003FFBX the right model to buy?

    #5: digging out a PC to run diagnostics would be difficult. Is that a problem to skip, or not recommended to skip? Does the Romio do anything to isolate bad sectors or potential faults (judging from crashes at similar points, I’m assuming not)?

    So, get the drive from Amazon, plug it in, and I’m good to go?
    Or, get the drive from Weaknees for more than twice the price, because I’m missing a crucial factor.
    Or, something else entirely (smaller drive more reliable, different model, lifetime service affected)?

    Thanks for tolerating repetitive posting of previously answered questions. I’ve tried to make them easier to respond mostly with yes or no. I foolishly bought an Edge thinking I could go back to TE3, and have the same functionality as the Romio, so it’s going back. I don’t have the patience (or enough Xanax) to live with the Edge’s shortcomings.
     
  2. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    Summary:
    Buy a recommended drive and if running TE3 and under 4TB put it in the Roamio and it will format it and set it up (pretty sure we're up to 4TB in TE3) with a few extra steps you can do that with a larger recommended drive, then pull the drive, attach it to a PC with the right tools, and expand to full capacity. TE4 can do bigger drives, but is more picky on them.

    You can run MFR diagnostics on a drive before installing to make sure it is healthy and not defective, but that's an option not a requirement.
    Read up on CMR and SMR drives, that's an important difference.
    There are tons, and I do mean tons of existing discussions in this sub-forum on this subject, it might be worth reviewing them and then doing a followup question reply.
     
  3. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    1. Almost any drive that is CMR would work.
    2. No, not since Roamio. Premiere and earlier needed an image implanted prior.
    3. WD Red are now SMR and no longer work. WD Red Plus is the recommended and CMR type drive that works. You do not format it. It can handle up to 3TB without a computer and up to 8TB by hooking to computer (Windows, by SATA or USB) and use WinMFR after hooking up to Tivo, removed, then hook to Windows computer, after done, re-install in Roamio. ie:. if you put in an 8TB drive in, after setup, the space would only show 280+ HD hrs, After WinMFSR, it would be about 1200 HD hrs.
    4. No. Avoid 7200 RPM drives, more heat and eats more power than the tiny power supply can support. Ideal is models ending in EFRX, EFZX.
    5. May not be necessary but is a good idea if the drive is not new.
     
  4. jasel

    jasel New Member

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    Thanks. That clears up my questions. So:

    Buying a 3tb WD Red Plus WD30EFZX for $80 from Amazon and will drop it in. I’ll mess with the possibility of something larger once I confirm the disk was the failure. Then I’ll look into a cheap dock and MFS Tools (is Sourceforge where to download it?). Seems simple enough, but I have old TiVo Minis and don’t need to mess other potential issues going higher.

    And I don’t want anything that may inflict TE4 back in my life.

    Thanks again
     
  5. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    Changing drives will not force upgrade to TE4/Hydra. It has to be initiated from the app, the new experience.
     
  6. JohnBeas

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    I assume you've tried replacing the power supply (wall wart). A number of people have mis-diagnosed having a bad hard drive when all they needed is a new adapter.
     
  7. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    A Roamio Pro or Plus does not use a wall wart, it's full old school internal power supply.
     
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    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    Ummm, err ok, but this isn't a tread about a Roamio OTA, nor did the OP mention all 4 lights blinking.
     
  10. JohnBeas

    JohnBeas New Member

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    The OP didn't give any details on why he thinks the HD is failing. The failure of the wall wart can affect any type of Roamio. Its the first thing I checked when my Tivo stopped working and I was able to quickly diagnose and fix it because of the thread I referenced.
     
  11. DougJohnson

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    Yeah, if it has a wall wart. The OP's Roamio Pro does not.
    -- Doug
     
  12. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    No, no, no, you're missing the point, the Roamio Pro and Plus do not use a wall wart, never have, "any roamio" is not the correct phrase because it is not true.
     
  13. jasel

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    TiVo HD replace final chapter

    OK. Thanks to you all and an unusually kind and patient tech support guy, I have a working Roamio Pro. Here’s what happened if anyone is interested

    The prologue:

    I said I had an ‘apparent’ HD failure because ALL lights were flashing and the pending screens behaved like I’ve heard HD failures do. Unplugged everything. Including an extender/expander. I didn’t expect that to be the disk failure, as when the expander fails, it says so specifically.

    Ordered a 3tb HD (WD Red Plus 5400 rpm) for $80. After watching YouTube and looking at WeaKnees options, I thought any size would work. Thanks to this forum, I discovered put to 3tb was the only ‘drop-in’ option.

    While waiting for drive to arrive, I plugged the unit in to see what it might do. No flashing lights, and it got to the point of saying the Extender wasn’t connected. Plugged that in and restarted. Kept cycling through Starting Up and a A few minutes more screens. Decided to try remove extender. In the middle of that remote stopped responding. Got to a message saying Cable Card not installed, and stopped there. Inserted a card and this time I got that green screen that I had a serious problem that it would try to fix in 3 hours. In a minute or so, it went back to Starting Up - Almost There - then back to green screen. Cycled through that a few times and waited for drive to arrive. Removed old drive and d ton of dust from inside the case (mostly thanks to 3 parrots that lived in the same room shedding dander)

    The Replacement:

    Mounted drive. Everything seemed good. Guided setup started. When I clicked Select to choose country, realized the remote not responding had nothing to do with the problem. Thought I had to get to the menus to pair the remote again if that’s what it needed, so dug out other remotes and one (from a Mini) worked. Hallelujah!

    Plugged in Ethernet cable since MoCo connection wasn’t handy.

    Up to ‘Getting Setup Info’. Preparing, Connecting Getting info, Disconnecting, Loading info all went by flawlessly. Woohoo! Then Verifying failed (Could not verify info). Error S308. Call TiVo (877 number). Tried going back to MoCo with same error.

    So, I called support and was shocked to reach a tech in the Philippines who was surprisingly patient, knowledgeable, and thorough. After providing necessary numbers for device, he had me go into installer express setup and sent box some code (I think) using Ethernet and I was back in business. He helped me re-pair remote, switch back to MoCo, and make sure everything loaded properly.

    The Foolishness:

    Just for fun, I thought I’d crack the extender and see if that drive might be upgradable too. Yeah I know, stupid idea. Inside was a 14 year old 500gb drive. I don’t have the slightest idea why I added that to a 3tb drive (other than I already had it from an older Series 3 with a small drive). Even if it was upgradable, I’d go with a larger main drive using MFS Tools and a USB3 dock.

    The Epilogue:

    Ive learned enough from buying an Edge (being returned to TiVo) to know I can’t live with TE4, or a box that won’t let me reload TE3, EVER. Some are small complaints, and it’s already been debated to death. But the upshot is, I don’t want to go through 3 or 4 steps when TE3 can do whatever in one (like screen aspect). Or have button functions moved to illogical locations, and have lots of useless graphics that are NOT worth 1,000 words.

    I’ve also learned it’s easier to find posts or threads on TiVo Community using Google than the search bar on the forums.

    Thank you for your help.
     
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  14. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    I would suggest not use this reference because "Tivo HD" also refers to another Tivo model, to avoid confusion.

    This is why we do not recommend using a Tivo expander drive, which adds many more points for failure and losing shows.
     
  15. jasel

    jasel New Member

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    Sorry. That’s why I usually qualify Roamio with ‘Pro’ as there are differences among Roamios.

    I agree about the expander. I was merely expressing my surprise that the drive was only 500gb of space. So moving it to the 3tb TiVo some 7(?) years ago was a dumb idea. Even if it worked well most of the time.
     
  16. tommage1

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    True for TE3 (and I prefer it myself), but larger than 3TB is REALLY easy, for over 3TB up to 8TB you just let it format the drive, get to the setup screen, pull it, run MFSR on it (in computer), put back in Tivo and ready to go. Or even more if you use MFST, also very easy, just not quite as easy as MFSR starting fresh. With MFST can copy existing recordings also, has been done up to 16TB I think, single drive.
     
  17. chiguy50

    chiguy50 U.S. Army (ret.)

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    The term HD in this context is confusing in itself, as it is usually interpreted to mean "high definition." The better, less ambiguous acronym is HDD for "hard disk drive."
     

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