Roamio S5 TiVo reviews and facts

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. bdraw

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    The biggest downside to CEC is the lack of configuration. This is in the implementation, though, so TiVo could provide settings. And we both know that the meaning of "on" to a DVR isn't the same as other devices.

    My 2008 TV supports changing to one input via CEC, I suspect yours does to, but something is leading you to believe otherwise. I haven't played with the Chromecast, but of course CEC isn't the end all be all. I'm just saying I'd rather have the choice to disable it, then not have it at all.

    Standard CEC does support tuner control, so I believe your one useful use case is possible.
     
  2. tvn

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    Just purchased the Plus with MSD. Any insight as to when they will ship? I was looking at upgrading to the Genie and the free Sunday Ticket. Tempting but not a Tivo.
     
  3. elwaylite

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    Here are my chat answers, just to help someone in the future:

    Me: I assume it can handle the 1TB DVR Expander external drive to expand storage?
    Tivo: Correct.

    Me: Is it like previous models where part of the show is stored on the internal drive and part on the external, so if you lose one drive you lose all the shows? They are not seperate from each other?
    Tivo: At the moment it is like that. Although I keep placing requests to change that.

    Me: On my S3 and Premiere I used Amazon VOD quite often for tv shows. Those models would actually download the entire HD show as a file from Amazon and put them in your playlist. This is important to me because of slow internet speeds. Does the Roamio actually download the HD Amazon purchase as a file, or does it force you to stream the tv show/movie? I used to set up series pass's with Amazon and the new episode would auto download to the S3 and S4 after midnight when it became available on Amazon.
    Tivo: It would still download the show or movie completely. We could not stream from Amazon yet, but hopefully someday.
     
  4. Aero 1

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    it has a break out cable support. you will have to buy the extra cable to get analog outs.
     
  5. sbiller

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    TiVo CEO Tom Rogers on CNBC in the next 3 minutes...
     
  6. NoVa

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    Please check my math here vs. a Comcast DVR (am not sure if they currently have or plan to have a comparable whole home solution) :

    Roamio Plus + Lifetime MSD = 798
    Comcast DVR = ~$15/mos + Outlet charge = $5 * 1 =$5/mos
    Payback period for Roamio PLus = 798/15/12 = 53.3 Months = 4.4 years?

    If you throw in Mini's for say 3 additional rooms $6 monthly charge (without lifetime MSD):
    Mini's = 90*3 = 270 + 6*53 = $588
    Extra Comcast DVR boxes = $15/mos *3 = $45/mos + Outlet charge = $5 * 3 =$15/mos

    Total over 53 months:
    Roamio Plus + 3 Mini's = (798+588)/53 = ~$26/mos.
    vs.
    Comcast 4 DVR solution:
    $20*4 = $80/mos
     
  7. P42

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    Any pics of the insides?
    Verification of t he rumored 2.5" drive in the Base model?
    Thanks!
     
  8. wco81

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    But the Comcast DVR is not in the same league right? Not even their X1 platform?
     
  9. NoVa

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    I've updated my math to state my "unknowns" about the Comcast DVR.
     
  10. andyw715

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    To bad the 1/2 hour buffers for each tuner aren't solid state. Would give the drive the ability to take a break.
     
  11. steinbch

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    Don't forget resale. Your math is like comparing a lease vs owning a car...though I think the TiVo holds its resale value more. I'd venture you'll be able to get roughly 50% of your investment back if you decide to sell within the next 3-4 years.
     
  12. b_scott

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    as an owner of Tivo Premiere XL and another Premiere both with lifetime, I'm trying to find reasons this is worth $700-800 to me (per box).

    6 tuners is nice but I'll never have that many things recording at once. I use wired moca because that's best for transfer. Won't use Tivo Stream functionality.

    Otherwise seems like a faster Premiere. Even the interface looks the same. This doesn't seem like the upgrade we were hoping for that was drastically improved and exciting.
     
  13. b_scott

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    also, look at the life of the Premiere from launch until Roamio. 3.5 years. So, you don't even really catch up until a year after the product is obsolete.

    I don't think I'll be doing lifetime again. Because if you're selling a box, but then buying a box, it's still a wash.
     
  14. Grakthis

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    TVM is going to change that math. Paying $15 in 2 years is worth less than $15 today. It's worth more like $13-$14. But that doesn't make a HUGE difference. Probably a month or two longer on the break even. Figure your break even is more like 54-55 months.

    Also, factor in the cable card rental. The TiVo is 798 + 2.99 (or whatever the CC costs you) per month and the Comcast includes the CC in the $15 (I assume).

    So that's going to add more months. Since the CC cost can be assumed to be a fixed cost in both options, you can just drop it from both and say the cable box is ~$12 per month.

    You know, i'll just do the math for you.

    Assuming the cable company DVR is $12 more per month than the TiVo, and assuming you could make 5% return on the stock market, a $12 per month payment is worth $796 after 78 months, which is 6.5 years.

    What that means is, you could go buy an annuity at 5% for 796 dollars and pay for the difference in the two DVRs for 6.5 years.

    Realistically, you're not getting an annuity for 5% in this market, but 5% is historically a good discount rate for the stock market. So, imagine instead you invested 796 dollars in the stock market and each month cashed in $12 to pay for the DVR if that makes more sense to you.

    So, in summary, if you're trying to cost justify a TiVo + Lifetime vs a cable company DVR, it's not going to work. You really have to justify the TiVo on the fact that it's a better product.
     
  15. NoVa

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    Agree that's how I was thinking about it too.
    Updated to include the extra Comcast drop charges too.

    So now ~ for a 4 TV home per month:
    Comcast: $80 vs Romio+: $26
     
  16. tvn

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    The company he used to run.

     
  17. atmuscarella

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    The Roamio Plus isn't designed to replace 1 cable DVR, it is designed to be part of a whole home system with several minis serving additional TVs.

    If all you are doing is replace 1 cable DVR on 1TV the correct model is the base one which for anyone eligible for MSD will cost $600 with lifetime. So payback is $600/15/12 which is 40 months or 3.4 years. Plus I am guessing the new TiVo DVR is significantly superior to what Comcast is giving you, including having more tuners. As a side note in my area a TWC DVR costs allot more than $15/mo, the last time I looked I think it was $20/mo more that just renting a cable card so payback would be in the 30 month zone.
     
  18. Grakthis

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    Oh, yeah, resale makes a huge difference. For example, my S3 without lifetime (even with an upgraded HD) would ebay for like $50 if I am lucky. If I had lifetime on it, it would ebay for like 300 (probably). So, that does make the equation more complicated, due to residual value.

    If you assume the lifetime maintains $300 in value, your break even at 5% is closer to 45 months.

    So, if your TiVo survives 3.75 years and has a resale value of $300 AND you sell it, you break even vs a cable company DVR at that point.
     
  19. Grakthis

    Grakthis New Member

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    So, let's say you replace 3 CC DVRs with a lifetime Tivo (800) + 2 minis (lifetime at 150 each).

    That's 1100 up front cost that you have to make up, but you're saving (15 + 15 + 15 - 3 for the TiVo cable card) $42 per month.

    You've made that back in about 28 months. That's a big savings.
     
  20. NoVa

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    I purposely left out the alternative investment ROI option because realistically, how many of us are going to do that? LOL!

    That said, my estimates were back of the envelope & to not only put down in black & white what potential costs/benefits are vs. a Comcast setup & what the totals are vs. a wired professional installed A/V setup with dedicated splitters & switches (haven't done this yet but preliminarily it is >$2K but pretty much future proof).
     

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