Roamio basic + minis on Fios

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Osin, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. Osin

    Osin New Member

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    I've recently moved back to the Northeast and am having issues setting up my Tivo in thr new house with newly installed Fios seevice. I've previously had it working with Fios with the mini connected via MOCA from the fios router, on Spectrum with minis connected via wired ethernet.

    I have the Roamio Basic in the living room working fine, connected to WiFi and coax. For some reason the minis aren't seeing the Roamio via moca. I was able to get them to see each other by using a second eero as a wifi bridge and connecting the mini to the ethernet port but this is not ideal. My previous experience with the same setup on Fios was seamless and my minis just needed the coax connection.

    I ran a splitter from the ONT so one line went to the Tivo (turned off wifi on Roamio) and the other to the eero router and same result. I had the tech check all the coax outputs I'll be using for minis with a toner when he did the initial install and they all got seemed to be connected. Anything I could be missing?
     
  2. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    The Roamio Basic does not have MoCa capability. and since you are using WiFi, they would not connect with proper bandwidth.

    The only option for the Roamio Basic is ethernet or using a MoCa adapter.
     
  3. Osin

    Osin New Member

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    Well the wifi bandwidth is fine, because the mini works with both the Roamio and mini on wifi (with mini using wifi bridge).

    My last time with fios (about 5 years ago) I did not need a moca adapter because the fios router created the moca network and both the roamio and mini were connected only via coax. The hardware this time around is different with the signal coming into the house via ethernet. But my understanding is the ONT still uses that to create a moca network through its coax output.
     
  4. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    Yes, if you want MoCa conectivity on your Roamio, you would need a MoCa adapter. Unless you were to go with Ethernet.
    The Fios Router does not need the adapter since its capable.
     
  5. Osin

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    OK. So the new ONT that Fios uses does not create a moca network like the older routers did? The tech led me to believe they still did.

    I'll try to add a moca adapter to the setup and see if that works. For now I'll continue to use the one mini via wifi and wait to setup the rest once I get the moca network set up .
     
  6. ThAbtO

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    It also could be disabled. You would need 2 adapters (router and Roamio) if the router is not capable, otherwise just 1 for Roamio.
     
  7. lhvetinari

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    No, you've got this a bit switched around: The ONT is probably creating a MoCa network, but the Roamio Basic does not have integrated MoCa abilities like the Pro and Plus do, so you'll need a MoCa to Ethernet adapter for it.
     
  8. krkaufman

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    Close. Your prior FiOS setup worked because you had the Roamio connected via Ethernet to the FiOS gateway, and the Minis networked via MoCA (bridged via the FiOS gateway’s built-in MoCA bridge).

    See here:
    (minimal post history made it simple to find)​

    The preferable solution for your current setup would be to use a standalone MoCA adapter at the Roamio location to provide the Roamio with a wired network connection. See here for an array of MoCA adapter options. (WCB3000N is the cheapest.)

    edit: p.s. Though I’m not sure that you currently even have a MoCA network to which you’d connect.
     
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  9. krkaufman

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    Ideal would be achieved with the Roamio networked via MoCA, per previous suggestions. (Even if you can get it working via a wireless connection, it’s preferable to get fixed devices networked via wire where possible, to keep wireless bandwidth reserved for devices that have no other option.)

    You’re getting terms/devices/functions mixed-up, causing some of the confusion, and I don’t believe you’ve been clear on exactly what your current setup is.

    ONT != router

    The ONT (Optical Network Terminal) is effectively the modem for your fiber setup. The ONT simply makes the WAN connection available for a router — and it sounds like your current setup is an Ethernet WAN connection from your ONT to your router.

    As for MoCA, the ONT only supports MoCA as an alternative link for the WAN connection, and so is irrelevant to your needs for a MoCA LAN network for your TiVos. (Longer: The ONT’s MoCA capability is unusable for establishing your MoCA LAN, because the ONT has no connection to your router’s LAN, plus an ONT only supports MoCA Band C, channel C4, which isn’t compatible with TiVo”s MoCA hardware or retail MoCA adapters, which only operate in the MoCA Band D frequency range.)

    In your prior FiOS setup, you were apparently using a FiOS router, which included a built-in MoCA bridge, enabling your Minis’ MoCA network connections.

    So, what gear do you now have? What router are you using? Just the eero?

    If using the eero as your main router (i.e. with no FiOS-supplied gateway, such as a G1100 or MI424-WR), then you’ll need 2 MoCA adapters total: one installed at the router location (connected to the router LAN and coax plant) to function as your MoCA/Ethernet bridge, and one at the Roamio location to provide the Roamio with its wired network connection (assuming the Roamio cannot be networked via Ethernet to the router LAN).
     
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  10. krkaufman

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    What are the symptoms, error messages or codes, that you’re seeing?

    My current assumption, that you lack a MoCA bridge at your router, would indicate that your Mini’s should fail much earlier in the process, during MoCA client setup, well before the point at which they’d try to connect to the host DVR.
     
  11. Osin

    Osin New Member

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    So I finally found the time to address this issue. I'd been running the minis off a few wifi bridges with ok results, only once in a while was it choppy, but it was congesting my wifi network.

    This was the issue. I have an Alcatel I-211M-L ont with the connection coming in via fiber optic cable. despite the fios tech telling me that it created a moca network at its coax output, that was not the case. I had also called Fios for support and they told me the same and that I needed a better splitter which they sent me for free, but they just had no idea what they were talking about.

    I bought a 2 pack of Kiwee Broadband Bonded MoCA 2.0 adapters off Amazon and put one just downstream of the ONT after a poe filter with the ethernet connection going to a 16 port gigabit switch off the eero. The second is at the Roamio basic and everything works perfectly now. I've tested my minis in each room with a coax connection and the moca is active throughout the home. The minis link up perfectly now. Thanks for all your help !
     
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  12. cwoody222

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    I thought all Fios installs created Moca networks?

    Is that your own ONT or supplied by Fios? It looks like an older model. Can you lease a newer mode from Fios that will create a Moca network for you?

    I know you already have the Moca adapters but less in the setup is always better :)
     
  13. Osin

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    That is what was supplied by Fios when they installed service a few months back. I believe the router they typically supply is what creates the moca network, and since I didn't want to use their router I am left creating my own moca network. I'm pretty sure if you use their set top boxes they require you to use their router because they communicate via moca. I tried to set it up with only a bridge at the Roamio but there was no moca network for it to connect to until I installed the other adapter at the modem.
     
  14. cwoody222

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

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    Well, as long as you got it working!

    VZ supplies me this one. I bought it from them though, no rental fees.
    Fios Quantum Gateway router | Verizon Internet Support

    It creates a Moca network and I need nothing but coax running to my Roamio and Mini.

    Fios was already installed in my home when I moved in, with coax with decent signal strength everywhere I needed it.
     
  15. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    ONT != router, and FiOS MoCA WAN != MoCA LAN

    See:
     
  16. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    This *is* the case, just not a MoCA network of any use in a FiOS setup configured for an Ethernet WAN connection between the ONT and router, per above. (The ONT is only capable of a MoCA 1.1 band C connection, as a slower alternative to an Ethernet WAN connection. The ONT’s MoCA capabilities are moot relative to setting up a MoCA LAN network.)
     

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