resale value of TiVos

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  1. AFP1

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    Depending on which Unit you are referring to, the Resale value cannot exceed the New Unit Prices! New S2DT Units have been sold for as little as $40.00 US, eventhough the are $100 Today! With till after Fathers Day, they will probably be $70 again!
     
  2. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Well, as this is the UK Forum, it's a fair bet we're only talking about the S1 ;):p:)
     
  3. wolflord11

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    $40.00 ?

    I got mine for Free! LOL :D
     
  4. Dodgy

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    There are a few reasons why TiVos are not fetching good prices second hand now. I think one of the reasons is that it only has an analogue tuner and the clock is ticking on analogue transmissions in the UK. There's the other issues such as only being able to record one program at once, too :rolleyes:
    I love my TiVo, but I've just managed to get a realistic price for Sky HD (half price box, free installation and half price subscription for 12 months) so it's time to go :(
    I really will miss it, to TiVo is an adjective in our household :eek:

    Dave.
     
  5. Major dude

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    You are totally wrong here Dave, in fact the source you use with your TiVo is entirely up to you - analogue/digital freeview or cable or satellite. So TiVo will not only remain unaffected by the analogue turnoff, but because TiVo can control a wide variety of external sources it will still be able to co-ordinate channel changes with timed recording unlike most VCRs and DVD recorders. It always bugs me in the analogue turnof publicity that they never refer to the main effect of the analogue turnoff will be that most video recording devices will be rendered totally useless. TiVo won't be. Alot of people are going to be very upset by this as evidenced by the rush on VCR cassettes when Dixons announced that they were going to stop selling them.

    By the way do not expect much from SKY HD and the SKY + interface because it cannot hold a candle to what you have been use to from your TiVo even with HD.
     
  6. 6022tivo

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    I am currently using one of my tivo for analogue only, it works really well. Any way of changing the channel number s to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, rather than the UHF freq.

    Also the RF lead if fed from the lounge and the lounge tivo is showing as CH5 (must of been on this channel when searching) any way of changing that station ID to TiVo1 for example?? Obviously no guide data for this channel.
     
  7. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    In a word, no. :) I can vague it up for you if you like :p
     
  8. Dodgy

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    Surely you don't think I didn't realise that? Of course I do, but I and perhaps many others, don't want the additional STB to go with their TiVo. Besides, for me at least, the Heath Robinson IR wands weren't the most reliable of control devices :rolleyes:

    Again, you assume a bit too much there :) I've already used a Sky HD setup and am happy enough with it. For the loss of certain cool features at least I'll be able to record two things at the same time And no matter how great TiVo is (and it is), it can't record HD content. Something else has always niggled me, too, I've never been able to get recorded widescreen content to display in the correct aspect ratio either, I've always assumed that TiVo doesn't 'understand' widescreen (could be wrong).

    I have actually thought this through and I've been a keen TiVo evangelist for many years (I'll probably still be one), but the time has come to move on for me anyway.

    I'm just like almost everybody else here, I would buy a new TiVo if it was available in the UK, but it isn't.

    Thanks,
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  9. TCM2007

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    You are! TiVo handles WS switching fine, so long as the cabling is right.
     
  10. Major dude

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    Hold on Dave,

    The basis of your contribution was that TiVo prices on ebay are being affected by the analogue turn-off. So I assumed you considered it to be dependent on analogue yourself which it turns out is how in fact you use your TiVo. If you did not mean to make this assumption then I can only assume you meant that other people were under the impression that TiVo is dependent on analogue and that was the reason that they were not interested in buying TiVos on ebay, an impression that I felt I had to challenge.

    I would not say I never had problems with channel changes using wands or the dongle..... but most of the time it is pretty reliable to the point where a failure is an unexpected event.

    When freeview became available and also I moved into an NTL cable area and I found out that TiVo could control channel changes and recordings from either source I realised how useful a TiVo could be and ended up buying two of them at under a ton each. THis is why post analogue turn-off I would argue that the prices of ebay Tivos should be going up not down
     
  11. Dodgy

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    Ok, no problem. I guess what I'm saying is that in my opinion at least, TiVos are likely to suffer in second hand value in the light of analogue switch off in the same way that analogue TVs would. Not everyone wants to use a set-top box. Consumers have a choice, a second hand TiVo with analogue tuner and a clumsy add on STB, or a Sky+/freeview digital all in one solution.
    There's probably lots of reasons why TiVos are now fetching prices a fraction of what they were achieving a year or two ago. But the fact remains, they're approaching near scrap value. I'm just hoping that some day, TiVo will reenter the UK market.
    Dave.
     
  12. healeydave

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    Nah, I don't buy that at all. I would always prefer a device that doesn't have any other legacy technology built into it at all. I think many people don't use the analog tuner in the Tivo anyway and this is a prime example of building in something that is no longer required. I would much rather have a DVR with the ability to add-on an input device like a set-top-box and have the luxury of switching between medium formats and newer set-top-boxes as they become available.

    As stated previously, the sales always drop at this time of the year and hence so does the value of second hand equipment. Whether its because of people saving for holidays etc I don't know, just an assumption. Perhaps the added fear of interest rises etc may be having an impact also this year, its certainly slowing down the housing market. I've noticed this part of the year slow down ever since I've been trading, its just in previous years no-one has started a thread about it.
     
  13. TheBear

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    Eh? So you had "no issues" yet " support costs were "too high"??

    So it's not down to your comparative lack of knowledge of Linux?? 2 days to fix a Linux server smacks of lack of knowledge, rather than linux being somehow deficient.

    So..."no issues" with Linux and "issues" with MS...and you are arguing that MS is the better option??!
     
  14. Ian_m

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    Yes in 1999 "no issues" but as things changed, more disks, bigger tape support etc the associated support costs rose as well. Things like Gb Ethernet cards caused stability issues, poor performance in SCSI drivers (only Ultra SCSI 80Mb/s in those days). Lack of modern hardware support (in 2002-2004 timescale) was the issue. It was just the accumulation of lots of little things that drive up costs forcing us to look elsewhere.

    We purchased loads of new server hardware and spent ages evaluation Red Hat, SUSE, Server 2003 etc before rolling out Server 2003.

    I have just finshed about 6 months of the same on and off investigations of mail servers. Unfortutately right at the start got a beta of Exchange 2007, Outlook 2007 and SharePoint that immediately wrote off any other offering just due to ease of use, ease of collaboration and basically very very useful in a business environment. IMHO Exchange 2007 + Outlook 2007 + SharePoint is a reall killer suite.
     
  15. ScoobyDooZ

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    I have 2 excellent condition Tivos in my loft.

    Had a Tivo fail on me a few years back and snapped up a couple as I didnt want to go without it again. I would rather have a back up one (or 2) that is not being used than have to go through ebay ands pick up another that has been going non stop for 8 years.

    The prices will fall as people get Sky+ and Virgins effort, but I have heard iof people coming back to Tivo. So I think prices will rise again as fewer and fewr boxes are for sale.
     
  16. Pete77

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    I have to say I don't agree with that as the advent of two tuner Freeview Playback boxes with Series Link, the belief of the average person that they must get an HDTV and be able to watch HDTV on it and the fact that Sky have now drastically lowered the entry point for Sky+ all mean that Tivo prices will continue to fall away to near zero for non lifetime subscribed boxes and only between £100 and £200 for Lifetime subscribed boxes, depending on whether they also have a Cachecard and RAM and/or a larger hard drive.

    However I suspect prices this winter for secondhand Tivos may be a little higher than some of the very low prices for Tivos seen during the recent summer weeks.
     
  17. mikerr

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    An unmodified 40GB lifetime tivo just went for £256 a few minutes ago on an ebay auction,
    so maybe everyone's back from holidays now ? ;)
     
  18. Pete77

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    Yes I saw that one at a high price earlier and thought that might happen. They tend to go for a silly high price when there hasn't been one with a Lifetime Sub on offer for a while and a low price when several are on sale at once. In other words the usual law of supply and demand applies.

    I picked up my second Lifetime Sub machine with a Cachecard and 512MB of RAM plus a Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 drive and professional ethernet socket on the back of the Tivo for the Cachecard for £215 3 weeks or so ago on Ebay. And then another unit with the same spec apart from the professional ethernet socket went for exactly the same price a week or so later. But then I saw a Lifetime Sub machine go for only £100 plus £20 delivery or something a week or so later and as a Cachecard and 512MB of RAM were on sale for only £80 inlcuding delivery on Ebay I sort of figured out that buying that machine and then the Cachecard and RAM and a 400Gb HDLD drive for £56 would have given me a slightly higher spec machine for almost the same money.

    The main problem with the machine I bought is that the seller had bought it from someone else a year earlier allegedly and says he did not get the Lifetime sub transferred to him so he cannot transfer it to me. Yet it shows as 5 Lifetime and dials up without issue. So I now I learn my lesson to only buy a Lifetime Sub Tivo from someone who says he has been the original owner from the outset. I sort of half wondered if the Lifetime Sub could be cloned from another unit but when you do the sums on buying a non Lifetime Sub machine (say £50 including delivery) and then a Cachecard and 256MB of RAM (about £83 inc delivery from the cheap Ebay seller) and then the 250Gb Seagate (about £35) it would surely hardly be worth the bother with all the labour and only a final £215 selling price.

    I still worry though what might happen if I need to change to the other Tivo software version if I or my relative get a tv that is not compatible with the current software version................

    Still when I put in my maximum bid with Hammersnipe I never really thought I would win it as previously machines with that spec had been going for around £290 or £300 on Ebay only a few months earlier.
     
  19. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    That's quite common, as lifetime tivos are bought and sold IME.
    So where's the problem then?! You haven't lost anything at all.

    The sub is officially for the unit's lifetime, not the owner.
    I'm pretty sure my original lifetime receipt said it wasn't even transferrable...

    Or did you want to transfer the sub onto another machine?
    That's the only scenario where you'd need to be the registered owner.
    ..and even that is not officially allowed in tivo's agreement.
     
  20. Pete77

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    No I was more concerned if I or my relative needed to ever change to 2.5.5a due to a new tv or if Tivo ever started marketing a new Tivo in the UK and offered an upgrade path for existing Lifetime Subbed units or if for some reason my EPG data stopped updating and it appeared to be due to Tivo changing something on their database.

    I did notice that what I believe to be the subscription chip had a very different kind of sticker on it from my other three Tivos (my original unit and then the one non subbed but fully functional one from the guy in Crawley and the dodgy Tivo that I got from the house clearers that PayPal gave me a full refund on), which started me thinking about whether it could be cloned.

    Despite the professional ethernet socket that was fitted in the back of the unit the guy who did it had then also fitted a long ethernet cable from the Cachecard to the socket that he had allowed to dangle and sit on the motherboard and had also managed to leave part of the IDE cable sitting right in the middle of and in contact with the power supply unit - both those faults have now been corrected. However having said all that the unit seems to work perfectly so far and a full cloning of my own Tivoweb (in place of the vanilla one included with it) and hacks setup on to the unit was entirely successful as I also remembered to edit rc.sysinit file and to implement the revised No Flicker and Mode 0 fp file before rebooting. All that remains is to teach my mother Tivo. I still worry if I have done the right thing and whether Freeview Playback with Series Link might not have been a more forward looking move. On the other hand I know that people actually use their Tivos whereas they frequently don't use other devices because they are so hard to understand and my mum has absolutely no interest in going for HDTV.
     
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