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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by techieunite, Nov 17, 2006.
That doesn't affect the S2 DT though.
I dont think anyone is upset but the fact is your net cost for a piece of technology is $50 and you are commenting about how it may not have value afterwards. I am sure people spend a lot more on a lot less than what value Tivo provides over the course of a year commitment. Heck, some people spend that on Starbucks in a week and get less value than the same money spent on Tivo.
Even if they did not change it and still ofered the rebate the fact still is that you would not be able to get more than $20 for it or so, just because of the rebate.
You mention the whole hand-me-down thing and while I do this myself, the thing is that not everything is designed to have residual value. Sure, I could give my Tivos to a family member and they would not care that it was used but the fact is that if they dont want to pay a monthy fee it is still worth nothing to them.
So, bottom line is this... if you like your Tivo and get value out of what you pay per month, then keep it and enjoy. If not, put it up on eBay for $20 and see what happens.
I never buy any consumer good considering the resale value. Furthest thing from my mind, actually.
Personally, it's not 'resale' value that bothers me, but regifting value. I like to give these away, to save someone having to buy their own equipment. (or sign a longterm contract).
TiVo really neeeds to fix it so hardware that is already owned by the sub, or purchased at full retail w/o rebate, doesn't have a contract or the higher rates. It's a real ripoff to charge the box subsidy on a box that's already been paid for many times over.
I dumped Tivo a few months ago and I am soooo glad that we did. We now have a much better, faster, and even less expensive DVR.
It's perfectly acceptable for cell phones, but god forbid that any other device require a subscription to be used. What the hell kind of arguement is that?
BTW even w/o a subscription a SA S2 can still be used to watch live TV and pause, FF and RW through the 30 minute buffer. Personally I think that's far more useful than the ability to call 911 from a no service cellphone.
Tivo did adversely affect resale values by offering very generous rebates and bundled pricing. You However, purchased your DT Tivo after all of this started and you got yourself a good deal. You paid only $50 so why are you bitching about resale value? How much resale value do you expect out of a $50 item?
Actually, you'll often find cell phones have a very high resale value. For popular phones, I've seen them sell 2nd hand for more than you could get them from the carrier. This is because you don't have to sign a longterm contract when activating a phone which you get w/o subsidy. So rather than a 2 year contract and $250 for a phone, someone might pay $300 or more for the same phone from a 3rd party.
WTF are you talking about? My statement had nothing to do with resale value of cell phones or Tivo. It was a direct response to:
Your DVR must have problem recording and/or playing back programs because you're spending time here.
The very reason I invested in a lifetime subscription for each of my TiVos is to maximize the resale value -- because lifetime subs hold their value well, you used to end up paying very little for the TiVo service after taking resale into account. For example, I bought my first TiVo for $399, spent $199 for lifetime service, invested about $100 in an extra hard drive for it, used it for 3.5 years, and then resold it on eBay for $425. Let's see, that works out to about $6.75 per month for hardware and service costs over the time I owned it. It was a great deal in the end.
I guess I'm lucky in that I already had lifetime on all of my TiVos before they eliminated the lifetime subs. I'll transfer lifetime from an old TiVo to my new Series3. And whenever I purchase my next TiVo, I'll know that resale is not an issue anymore, so I'll think of them as disposable items.
Lifetime is not the only thing folks are looking for on ebay. If you want to enhance resale, plant flowers in front.
In the case of Tivo, upgrade it.
Slap two 400 gb drives in your tivo and sell on ebay- make good profit. If it is a DTivo, hack it- a lot of folks still want modded DTivos but don't know how to do it or don't have the time. There are SO many ways to make your Tivo stand out besides Lifetime. Mod it, do some cut outs- put in lights- make it unique. There are 4 million Tivo owners out that are potentially interested in something unique and powerful. That's what made them Tivo owners.
No robbins, just like to **** in every thread he can adding no real content and bragging about his better, faster, cheaper DVR. Apparently it's so good that he'd rather spend time bitching about Tivo months after the fact than use the DVR to watch some TV.
Justin, that's a great point that's lost on a lot of people around here. Still, when the hardware new is do cheap I'm not sure how you can go into it expecting some resale value down the road.
so what was the chance at 12.95 or 6.95 for a year comittment. I think the thing is your point has been an obvious thing about unsusbscribed TiVo hardware for quite some time now
I would agree with ZeoTiVo and others in this post that it would be highly unlikely that many people would be willing to subscribe existing old unsubscribed TiVos under TiVos current terms.
I think it is stupidity on TiVo's part to try an force owners of unsubscribed older TiVos into long term contracts while they are basically giving away new boxes. Which pretty much makes it clear that TiVo would prefer to give you a new box than allow you to sub an older unsubscribed TiVo.
As more people go HD there will be more and more series 1 and series 2 TiVos out there that people will no longer need - I guess TiVo thinks its better that they become door stops than to allow someone else to sub them monthly and without a commitment.
A year from now if someone was selling used Series 3 for less than 1/2 what I could buy a new one for I would take the chance and sub it for 3 years, but not with a Series 1 or 2.
That depends on the provider. Verizon Wireless requires a contract even for bring-your-own-phone. SprintPCS won't allow you bring a phone unless that specific phone (not just the model) was originally bought through them or their agents. GSM providers such as Cingular tend to be much more generous about this.
The cable versions aren't much cheaper.
Based on that statement, I doubt any DVR currently available would suit your standards.
Didn't the latest price update or marketing blurb make the DT free? I thought the whole $200+ was now being rebated on the dual tuner.
No. $180 rebate.
Whoever said there's no resale value on TiVo's is obviously not from Canada. Because they don't sell boxes up here (and customs charges can be so high), there is still a huge market for second hand Series 2 models.
I just bought a used Series 2, 80 hour for $100US on EBay a mere 3 weeks ago. And considered myself lucky to get a "good" deal on it