Recomended Bolt Internal Hard Drive

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  1. Apr 1, 2017 #61 of 132
    JYoung

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    Any good recommendations for 1 to 2 TB replacement drives for the Bolt?
    I'd normally buy Seagate but I'm reading that they are heavily into SMR.
     
  2. Apr 12, 2017 #62 of 132
    delgadobb

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    With a couple Bolt 500Gs on the way, I'm looking to venture into (possibly) uncharted waters & do a 2 TB upgrade if I can make it work ...

    Background is I picked up a couple 2 TB WD MyPassport for Mac drives for a good price ($55 each) & I would like to utilize at least one in a Bolt. Caveat: WD makes the connector part of the PCB board inside the case, so instead of traditional SATA connections it's a USB3 interface (pictures below). The drive is 15mm high, so it will fit inside the Bolt although it will be on the higher end of things - if it matters, I won't mind leaving off that part of the cover as I understand the WiFi wire needs to be adjusted anyways.

    Here's the drive I have, removed from the case ...
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    ... and here's what the USB3 connector looks like (it's basically a Micro USB with an additional connection next to said MicroUSB. My Samsung Galaxy Note has the same kind of connector & I have a cable that connects to both 'ports' (even though I guess it's technically one connection.)
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    What kind of cable or adapter would I need to connect this to the SATA/power connections inside the Bolt? Has anyone done this before? I presume the drive itself (WD Blue) should work fine with the Bolt (i.e. no SMR), but the interface issue will be the challenge ... although I haven't seen one of the Weaknees setups, my understanding is they've set up something to run 3.5" drives by cabling to the outside of the Bolt. I'd like to follow similar principles yet keep the cabling inside given that the drive will fit there.

    Open to suggestions from any of the wise, ever-helpful folks here. Worst case I can use the drives as a backup device that's not as cumbersome as a 3.5" external, but I have other solutions for that & in principle this seems like such a natural fit for the Bolt.
     
  3. Apr 13, 2017 #63 of 132
    tluxon

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    I chose the 2TB WD20NPVZ primarily because it comes from the same product series that TiVo chose for their 3TB Bolt+ (PDF link). Even with all tuners recording, a transfer from another TiVo running, and streaming a HD Amazon video, I have not once felt the Bolt get hot. The WD20NPVZ was only $117 on Amazon Prime just over a month ago, but they don't seem to have any now. It was plug-n-play simple and seems to be a flawless replacement, so I'm going to look for another for one of the Bolts I have coming.

    Edit: Amazon still has it but not on Prime. It's $115.40 with Free Shipping - just not as fast as Prime. I better get one on order.
     
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  4. Apr 13, 2017 #64 of 132
    aaronwt

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    Even with 4TB drives in my Bolts, they never got hot with the stock fan. But especially since putting in a new Blackslient XS-2 fan, the temps are much lower than before. Although the thing that will really get the temp up is transcoding two streams to send to tablets while also recording on all tuners. The temps will rise a few more degrees then, but the Bolt still doesn't get hot.
     
  5. Apr 13, 2017 #65 of 132
    tluxon

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    That's very encouraging to hear, as my primary concerns in upgrading a drive is putting one in there that's going to draw more power than the original spec and/or that it will suffer shortened life due to excessive reads and writes.

    Your drives were from external backup drives, correct? Can you remind me what drives they are and what they were packaged in? Do you know if they're still the drive being used in those enclosures?
     
  6. Apr 13, 2017 #66 of 132
    oryan_dunn

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    Where did you get that fan at? Seems to only be available in Europe.

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  7. Apr 13, 2017 #67 of 132
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    aaronwt

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    My 4TB drives came from external. I got the Seagate Backup Plus 4TB(STDR4000100) and took the drives out. The problem is I was one of the lucky ones. Both of my drives have firmware 0001 and I've had no issues since October 2015, when I started using them in my Bolts. But I think every one that used them in Bolts with later firmwares, eventually had issues with the Seagate 4TB drive used in the Bolt.
    So because of the issue with the later firmwares, the Seagate 4TB drive is not recommended to use.

    Seagate does have a 5TB version out now. No idea if the same issues would crop up though.
     
  9. Apr 13, 2017 #69 of 132
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    JYoung

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    I looked at that drive and I've used Blue series for my last couple of laptop upgrades.
    I know others have used it as well but I was a little skeptical of the 9mm height.

    I also had a credit with Amazon so I could get the Toshiba MQ03ABB300 for about the same price so I went with that.

    Thanks for your input though.

    Of course, I'm still waiting for my Bolt....
     
  11. Apr 14, 2017 #71 of 132
    tluxon

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    9mm height? Might be thinking of another drive. The WD20NPVZ is a 15mm height drive.

    I'm sure the MQ03ABB300 will be fine for the long term, but I'm betting on the WD20NPVZ primarily because of it being in the family of the WD30NPRZ that TiVo qualified for the Bolt+. That's just the 36 years of being an Engineer comin' out of me...
     
  12. Apr 14, 2017 #72 of 132
    aaronwt

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    It's not like WD has a bunch of different types of 3TB 2.5" drives.
    With the 3.5 inch TiVo used their AV drives line. But I think WD only has one type of 3TB 2.5" drive, so TiVo had no choice of what to use

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  13. Apr 14, 2017 #73 of 132
    JYoung

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    Sorry, brain fart.

    Yes, 15mm.
    Some have mentioned that it gets a tad tight with the 15mm drive.
     
  14. Apr 15, 2017 #74 of 132
    tluxon

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    I agree - it definitely seems to be at about the limit with a 15mm drive.
     
  15. Apr 15, 2017 #75 of 132
    tluxon

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    Very good point, but I can't help scratching my head regarding why they didn't pick the Toshiba MQ03ABB300 drive that so many seem to be having success with. Could there be a gotcha we don't yet know about? Or did TiVo simply choose a drive that wouldn't be as reachable ($338) as an aftermarket upgrade?
     
  16. Apr 15, 2017 #76 of 132
    ggieseke

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    Lots of those STDR4000100 Seagate drives were also used for quite a while (at least a year) before the "4 lights flashing" posts started coming in. The Toshiba drives look good so far, but time will tell.
     
  17. Apr 16, 2017 #77 of 132
    Redoctobyr

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    Ugh, it's a perfectly valid point, but I'm hoping my Toshiba will be reliable despite it :)

    I've heard some people say the Bolt fans are noisy, and that there is an aftermarket can that can be quieter, while also cooling better. Keeping electronics cooler will generally only help their lifespan. So steps that can help keep the internals a little cooler may help. Keeping vents clear, giving airspace around the box, maybe a different fan, etc.

    Heck, even a normal computer fan that was blowing across the outside of the case might help. I've wondered how practical it would be to use a larger, external mounted fan, ducted to the opening for the normal fan (which could be removed). Probably not practical, but it could give a lot more airflow, with less fan noise.
     
  18. Apr 16, 2017 #78 of 132
    aaronwt

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    Installing the Noiseblocker BlackSilentFan XS-2 should be enough. In my use it dropped the temps down by a fair amount. I had moved my Bolts to wire shelves. But after installing these fans in them, I moved one back to the normal glass shelf below my UHD TV. And the temps stay below 60 degrees(with wire shelves the temps are now in the low to mid 50's). Unless I'm doing a lot of transfers or streaming to a tablet.
     
  19. Apr 16, 2017 #79 of 132
    oryan_dunn

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    I just installed an xs-2, but where on the Bolt do you go to see the internal temp? It didn't seem to be in the system info list.

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  20. Apr 16, 2017 #80 of 132
    aaronwt

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    It's on the second page of the system info.

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