Read this if you want to use your Series2 DVR with a wireless adapter

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by TiVoStephen, Dec 27, 2003.

  1. dkonarska

    dkonarska New Member

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    I have 2 series 2 TiVo dvr'S with 2 Linksys wsub11 ver 3.0 adapters.
    1 TiVo begins with 130 and the other 140.
    Both TiVo's are running 4.0.1b
    My Linksys 55g router is running g with a disabled.

    Here is my problem.
    After about 10 or 20 minutes of use either one or both DVR's claim there is no adapter attached. In order for it to recognize the adapter again I have to unplug the adapter at the base and plug it back in again.

    Now I know the TiVo website states that I have to use a 2.6 or 2.8 adapter with my 130 and 140 DVR's, however I'm hopping someone could tell me if there's another solution. I got both of these adapters for ~$40 a piece. I don't want to spend ~$70 a piece at the TiVo store just to get an older version of hardware.

    Shouldn't TiVo work with the latest and greatest (and cheaper) hardware?

    Please help.
     
  2. antalo

    antalo New Member

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    San...
    Go to the page where you would restart the TIVO and highlight and select where it says Delete everything- to this effect. I guess it will wipe out everything on the drive. Mine made recordings I didn't ask for, the red recording light didn't come on when it was recording.
    Anyway do this and it wil take you about a whole day to reprogam everything. It will call in over the phone, and justr follow instructions. You will have to setup everything, first the phone connection, than how you receive programming and select the channels you receive, andIt will tell you you can watch, but you can't record for 4 to 8 hrs. After all that, mine is working oK.
    I am reprogramming the 2 nd TIVO now. I guess there were residual stuff left on the drive and it adversaly affected the entire system. Just like when you delete something on the peecee, yopu only delete the indexing, the info is still on the drive.
    Eventually it will recognize the network adapter and you have to set it up. TC/PI etc.. From then on, it will use the network to make calls. After that make daily calls every few hrs, until it doesn't download anything anymore.
    It wouldn't hurt if you restart the TIVO before you make a "Daily Call"
    Let us know how it works out.
     
  3. antalo

    antalo New Member

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    San...
    Please read the instructios camw with the adapters. I am sure it will tell you it will not work with the TIVO. Call Linksys. and confirm it if you don't believe. Well, now I see, you already know that. Takes those back for a refund or exchange and find the ones work with the TIVO. There is NO SHORTCUT here.
    Good luck,
    antalo
     
  4. drewbenson

    drewbenson New Member

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    Thank you! :)
     
  5. NPBeacher

    NPBeacher New Member

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    Ditto :)

    TR
     
  6. madthio

    madthio New Member

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    I am attempting to get my Linksys WUSB11 v2.8 working. I have connected several times to the TiVo service, and each time I am told: "Succeeded, pending restart". I then force a restart, wait for the screen that informs me that an update is taking place, and then go to system information. The Software Version is still reporting 4.0.1-01-2-240. I have run the update about 6 times over the last few days, with no luck. Any ideas?
     
  7. b3genom

    b3genom New Member

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    Just want to thank everyone for the instructions scattered through the thread!

    We picked up a new 80-hour Series 2 "240" model last night, along with the recommended WUSB11 wireless adapter. Got it home, hooked everything up, and activated online. Then, of course, I tried to configure networking, only to find it had no networking options. Feh!

    Ran the phone cord across the floor, out of the living room, into the kitchen, and plugged in. While Guided Setup downloaded its fill over the slow phone line, I hit the forums to see what the problem was. Didn't take too long to find, although it *really* should be covered in the in-box "quick-start" guide:

    The WUSB11 was v2.8, which requires v4.0.1a or later. Given there are now 2 more recent revisions now than the out-of-the-box supported v2.6, it's a good bet most folks picking up one of these are going to get the v2.8 or v3.0 WUSB11 if they buy retail. Would be *really* nice if something on the box mentioned that. In defense of Tivo, they *do* mention the versions on the Recommended Adapters webpage, but Linksys seems to have changed their packaging, making the version numbers quite hard to find.

    The Series 2 we bought came with 4.0.1. From various sources, this seems to be fairly standard, so no real foul there - software gets updated post-shipping - these things happen ^^

    Guided Setup needs a phone line anyway. A bit annoying, considering how our room layout is. Alleviated a bit by the fact that after the initial Guided Setup and update calls the adapter did work.

    A second call must be placed *after* Guided Setup finishes, in order to download the software update. This call will tie up the phone for roughly an hour. The need for a second call wasn't mentioned at all in the docs. Were it not for the forums, I'd still be at v4.0.1 until tomorrow night, wondering in the meantime why my adapter wasn't working! Ideally, though, this would be taken care of during the Guided Setup process.

    After the call, the Tivo will go into "Pending restart" mode, and can either be restarted manually, or will automatically do so at 2am. Another bit of wisdom from the forums. Great stuff.

    Once the restart finishes - the WUSB11 v2.8 gets detected, networking options are available, and the rest, as they say, is history!

    The rocky start was unexpected and annoying, but the fact that after a bit of manual prodding everything works is a testament to the usefulness of the forums. Thanks again!
     
  8. madthio

    madthio New Member

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    Just responding to my own post...
    It turns out that the dial-up location that I was using did not offer the 4.0.1b update. Changing to a different dial-up number resolved the problem immediatly. So, if for some reason anyone else runs into a similar problem, try a different dial-up number.
     
  9. Apr 1, 2004 #129 of 482
    davidallen

    davidallen New Member

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    Linksys WET54G bridge

    A call to Linksys elicits the recommendation to use their G bridge - the WET54G (rather than the WUSB54G network adapter, which does not yet work). They indicate the bridge will work with series 2 TiVo's. It has the advantage of also supporting USB 2, a good bit faster than USB 1.1. Do we know for sure, one way or the other, whether it will be recognized?

    Thanks, David
     
  10. Apr 1, 2004 #130 of 482
    bedelman

    bedelman Call me Bob

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    Crystal...
    Using a bridge will work (others have done it). As far as the TiVo knows, it connected to a wired ethernet connection -- because the USB adapter plugged into the TiVo is a USB to ethernet adapter -- which then goes to the bridge

    The TiVo units do not yet support USB 2.0 yet. TiVo units that have a TSN that begins with a "2" have USB 2.0 hardware, but the drivers are still at USB 1.1
     
  11. Apr 1, 2004 #131 of 482
    davidallen

    davidallen New Member

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    Thanks, Bob.

    So even a wired Ethernet connection is effectively bottlenecked at the USB 1.1 speed of 1.5 MBs? That would argue against the trouble of a wired connection. And put front and center - when will USB 2, and WUSB54G, be enabled ...
     
  12. Apr 1, 2004 #132 of 482
    bedelman

    bedelman Call me Bob

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    USB 1.1 has an upper limit of 12Mb/sec

    Even so, people with wired (and 802.11g bridged) connections report much better transfer speeds. With 802.11b it takes 20-25 minutes to transfer a 30-minute show recorded in Basic Quality. On a wired connection, it's something like 5 minutes or so.
     
  13. Apr 1, 2004 #133 of 482
    davidallen

    davidallen New Member

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    The difference between your little b and my big B - 12Mbits/sec is 1.5 MBytes/sec of course. Though the speeds are usually quoted in bits, it's true ...

    This is key stuff, and I'm still not on board: There is only one port in (my) Series 2 box, the USB. If it only works at 1.1 speeds, whether wired or wireless the connection speed is limited to that USB's 12 Mb/sec. And both wired and wireless are (almost) capable of that. How is a four to five times factor of speed difference possible?

    Thanks in advance for the enlightenment! Determines what I get to connect to the net. David
     
  14. Apr 2, 2004 #134 of 482
    steelio

    steelio New Member

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    Great stuff I finally plunged in and got my s2 tivo. Have a S1 and hate the dialing up (Stringing phone cord across the kitchen and living room 1 a week or so). I just bought the dwl-122 that is supposed to work right? According to this post earlier.
    I love to see these posts grow like this. The reason I bought this one was I could not find the linksys. Or very many of the other ones here locally. Really sucks.
    <dire straights> I want my wireless G </dire Straights>
     
  15. Apr 2, 2004 #135 of 482
    mrtim

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    Over there,...
    It's a matter of how much bandwidth these networks provide in the real world.

    In theory you get 54Mbps from wireless G and 11Mbps from wireless B. In theory you get 12Mbps from USB 1 and 480Mbps from USB 2. In theory then, with a USB 1 port in the way, you see 12 from G and 11 from B. Not a big difference.

    But in the real world, bandwidth won't reach these maximum speeds, and for the most part the percentage of maximum bandwidth is comparable between B and G networks. In other words an environment that gives you 50% of maximum for a B network will also give you around 50% of a G.

    So forget about USB 2 for the moment. How fast is a wireless network in your house likely to be? Let's assume that in your environment you are getting 50% of of the maximum bandwidth, which is a reasonable guess. 50% comes out to 5.1Mbps on B and 27Mbps on G. The G will max out the USB1, so you're really only getting 12Mbps with G. So what? 12Mbps is still more than double our real world B speed of 5.1Mbps.

    Now suppose you are only getting 25% of max. Now you've got 2.75 Mbps with a B, but your effective G speed is 13.5 Mbps; still beyond the 12 Mbps that the USB1 is capable of. Now you're beyond a factor of four.

    I'd be a little disappointed if 25% was the best my wireless lan could provide, but it's not unusual. I see about 60% of max from my TV to my access point, so I would expect bandwidth to my Tivo to be about 6.6Mbps with B vs 12Mbps with G. I'll still take the G, thanks.

    Bottom line: if you live in a real house, with any real distance (or things like walls) between your TiVo and your wireless access point, G is likely to make a noticable difference. The lower your wireless network efficiency, the more you want G.
     
  16. Apr 2, 2004 #136 of 482
    bedelman

    bedelman Call me Bob

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    Crystal...
    I'm by no means an authority on this but with 802.11b/g and a wireless access point/router, I understand that the data first has to go from the TiVo to the wireless access point and then the wireless access point needs to turn around and send it to the other TiVo. So, right away your throughput is cut by one half (from 11Mb/sec to 5.5Mb/sec). In the real world of my house, I can do no better than 2.2Mb/sec with 802.11b (in a wireless to wireless connection). If I'm really far away from the access point, it goes down to 1.1Mb/sec for a wireless to wireless connection.

    If you do peer-to-peer wireless with the TiVo units (with no access point), the throughput is faster but I don't think you can have a network in this mode (necessary for Music/Photos and Internet connectivity)
     
  17. Apr 3, 2004 #137 of 482
    davidallen

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    Thanks, Bob, and thanks, mrtim. Nice analysis, mrtim, and nice corroboration, Bob.

    Nonetheless if there is some consistency in differentials between b adaptors versus g adaptors or wired Ethernet, I'm wondering if there isn't more here than meets the eye at the moment. It wouldn't seem that everyone would have a degraded b signal, certainly to the extent of a four or five times difference. As you point out mrtim, your own experience, just for example, indicates more in the range of a two times difference.

    Think this calls for more poking around, so here we go to poke around ...

    Again thanks, David
     
  18. Apr 7, 2004 #138 of 482
    gps

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    Is the home media option required in order to use a wireless adaptor on a series 2 tivo (so that no phone line need be run to the tivo)?
     
  19. Apr 7, 2004 #139 of 482
    futerfas

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    nope, it will work fine without it
     
  20. aero_22

    aero_22 New Member

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    Morris...
    Q: I have a Tivo Series 2 unit, and will purchase shortly the HMO.
    My current wireless network in my home uses the Netgear MR814 802.11b router.

    This is a popular router, so hoping someone else out there with this router has decided to get HMO, and wanted to know if it works best with the Tivo recommended adaptor (Linksys WUSB11) or better to get the NETGEAR MA101 V.B to keep all the 802.11b items from the same manufacturer?
     

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