"reached orbit but hasn't become operational yet..."

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by restino, Aug 31, 2007.

  1. old7

    old7 That's all I know! TCF Club

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    Restino, give it a rest. The only you have convinced is yourself. If this was March 2007 and you were making this argument you would have a point. Today, your argument is so thin that it is non-existent.
     
  2. dswallow

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    DirecTV doesn't write any of the station-keeping software for the satellites, or any of the software that is relied upon during launch, orbital insertion, testing or operations.

    So, buggy as their idea of a DVR or receiver may be, don't expect it to cause one of their satellites to blow up or to fall to earth. :)
     
  3. restino

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    and thats exactly to my point. thank you.

    the reason i started this thread is because it just dawned on me, maybe a bit late but still the same, when i saw that commerical that they were doing this ploy back in march 2007 and before. i was shocked to think it carefully through.

    also, the decision to drop tivo, a superior brand name and quality product, and the bug ridden software of their current receivers shows the lack of intelligence directv management has. if you were to drop a 'tivo' relationship would you focus hard on making a quality product even more so now that you broke with the best? i sure would, but i plan very far ahead.

    well that does end my interest in this thread now that i see the points were discussed and then even validated, added bonus, by the detractors nonetheless too! thank you :D

    for giggles - all of you that posted negatively dismissing my idea of recklessness on directvs part... do you own a directv upgrade already?

    ill sit back and watch either a lack of replies or large counts of 'yes i do' :D
     
  4. milominderbinder

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    I did not do a receiver upgrade. I have not said anything negative. I have only pointed out positives.

    Back to your point...
    again, would you please tell us...

    What publicly traded consumer electronics company doesn't disclose future plans quarterly?

    What FCC regulated company does not make the required filings months or years in advance as required by law?

    What publicly traded consumer electronics company doesn't show prototypes or concepts at trade shows?

    Why won't you answer? I am just trying to understand you.

    - Craig
     
  5. Phantom Gremlin

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    I'd like to believe that DirecTV management shows a lack of intelligence. But unfortunately they may just be doing the smart thing for their shareholders. Most people are too stupid to understand the advantages of TiVo.
     
  6. madbeachcat

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    No, I am not going to call you stupid. But maybe, just maybe, some of us see some advantages in using equipment that doesn't run Tivo software. While at the same time not having to denigrate other peoples choices. Tivo is a fine product, but it is not for everyone.

    Calling us stupid does not change that, or make your statement true.
     
  7. joelq

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    It may not be that they are "too stupid", but rather, they see "Tivo" as only one way to manage their content, and that they consider getting the content they want as having a higher priority than having a particular user experience.

    I have posted in a separate thread that it seems some anti-HR20 owners are insisting on keeping their obsolete equipment just for the sake of owning a Tivo, which to me, defeats the purpose of them keeping a DirecTV subscription. I think one can also argue that this thinking is "stupid" and/or naive, maybe even ignorant. If they're that upset with DirecTV, why not switch to cable, get a S3, and be happy? There's really no reason to keep hanging onto DirecTV.

    Me? I still have two SD DTivos, an HR10-250 (all zippered), but have also recently gotten an HR20 because I want to be able to get more HD content. Call me "stupid", but to me, this is the point. Content, not Tivo, is king.
     
  8. HiDefGator

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    I guess I'm not following this whole thread. I got my first HR20 about a month ago. It has been getting me HD locals that I could not get with my HR10 or OTA since the day it arrived. So how has DTV sold me hardware that doesn't do anything yet?

    If DTV were your company how would you have handled it differently? Would you wait until the channels are online before telling anyone? That would limit your subscriber growth and the delay the benefit of the huge investment in new resources. DTV is already expecting there to be installation delays when the new channelks do come online this month. IMagine how long the wait would be if they hadn't presold it?
     
  9. Sir_winealot

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    Pretty certain he was referring to all the new HD channels that nobody has yet received (and is slated for release sometime this month).
     
  10. lrhorer

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    While that is most certainly true, those enterprises are managing a much more predictable and less risky logistical enterprise than launching and activating a space satellite. It's always a gamble, of course, and projected turn up dates do sometimes slip, but events in the space program can delay projects for years. That's some major egg on a company's face. On the other hand, while launching a space satellite is horribly risky, it is also hideously expensive, and it is impearative the company be able to ramp up sales very quickly once the system is operational in order to recover the capital expenditures and pay off the loans. The last think on Earth I would want to be is the CEO of a company poised to enter into such a venture, especially in today's market. The acid in my stomach would be able to eat through an engine block.
     
  11. ebonovic

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    Tinley...

    I can read extremely well, thank you for your concern...
    As for crafting sentences... re-read your posts.... as you still haven't answered the direct question, on what is the history of DirecTV's failures with the SAT launches you are basing your theory on. Instead of answering the direct question, you attack me...

    Now a 2nd question, what does the software development on the IRD's have anying to do with the building, launching, deploying, and software control of a multi-billion dollar SAT?

    You must not know me very well then, as I certainly do like to have a discussion...

    You are trying to link 100% different tasks... taking the results of one area, and blindly applying them to something completely different.

    And if you would know my history, you will know that I am not a DirecTV employee.

    So again... on the basis of your point, that the SAT will fail... thus not be able to provide the signal...

    What is the history of the SAT aspects of DirecTV you are basing it on?
     
  12. Phantom Gremlin

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    You are right. Poor choice of words on my part. Sorry.
     
  13. TonyD79

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    I don't get the OP's point.

    What has DirecTV actually sold that they haven't delivered?

    If you buy/lease an HR20, you get a DVR that gets national HD that is available today, gets OTA that is available today and gets local HDs if available today in your market. The standard dish install is the Slimline (and upgrades are free, so what are they selling?). The Slimline works for all existing satellite services. The BBCs are free, no sale there.

    Yes, they are marketing a future product. One that they are fairly sure will happen one way or another but there are no sure things anywhere.

    But they are selling nothing they don't have today.
     
  14. madbeachcat

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    Forgiven. Sorry to be so touchy. :eek:
     
  15. MurrayW

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    Can this really be happening? Two posters on an internet forum apologizing to each other? Way to go guys!

    My opinion of gremlins and cats just went up.
     
  16. lrhorer

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    Are you sure about that? I've never heard of any satellite which in and of itself cost anything even close to $1 Billion. I do know that D* is supposedly sinking several $Billion into new satellites and new equipment, but I would really be shocked to learn any single satellite actually cost several $Billion - development and launching included. Of couse, stranger things have happened.
     
  17. lrhorer

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    There is if CATV service is not available in the area. Satellite is the only option for my sistyer and both my brothers. None of them live in an area serviced by any CATV company. The same is true for tens of thousands of consumers living in rural areas all across the country, not to mention in Canada, Mexico, South and Central America, etc. Stupidity has nothing to do with it, either way.
     
  18. tedkunich

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    that should be known, as in past tense... the days of bullet proof sony products are long long gone. If you don't believe me, I put you in touch with my buddy that works for sony service - the dude is working 14hr days....

    Frankly, you have a very simplistic, biased outlook on this subject. I have worked in R/D for over 20 years and have developed products throughout that time (mostly medical) and can say with absolute certainty, marketing efforts to seed interest and excitement for a new product will ALWAYS precede availably of said product. Apple and Sony are no exception - they may not use traditional marketing avenues, but be assured that the marketing arm is busy long before the product ever exits the feasibility stage.

    Pease,

    T
     
  19. dkraft

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    Lets just say 3 years ago I was living in Florida with no Local HD channels broadcast from Directv, so I moved to New Jersey (wink wink).

    I just bought a HR20 and moved back to Florida and now have my Local HD channels.

    If directv did not make the HR20 I would still be living in New Jersey. As an added bounce I find out I will be getting an additional 80 HD channels included in my already monthly charge for HD.

    My wife can now show me here pictures on the HR20 instead of me having to get up off the couch and walk into her office to view them on her computer.

    I found the 19.95 shipping cost of the HR20 and free installations as my only moving cost to Florida.

    I was one of the first to buy a HR10-250 and paid $1000.00

    This time I waited on the HR20-100 then I heard the bird was up and ready to go online so I called directv and decided to move back to Flordia.

    Hope is sometimes all we have to look forward to.
     
  20. jmrife

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    Yes, I do have the upgrade as of 60 days ago.

    To those of you who do not, I hope you enjoy your mpeg2.
     

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