R.I.P. HME

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  1. eohrnberger

    eohrnberger Member

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    Well now.

    Put up pyTiVo, and the shares are exactly where the shared were for Galleon. Cool.

    Can download from the TiVo to local, and on the way, puts it into straight MPG format. Nice.

    Still may run Galleon, as it does automatically pull pattern patching recordings to the Linux machine. That's useful.

    Now, I just gotta write up an openrc init script for pyTiVo - well, that'll be with tomorrow morning's coffee I guess.

    Good. I can dump Plex, it's just way too much of a heavy weight.
     
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  2. davidblackledge

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    Really it uses both. It served files audio and image files via HMO the same way pyTiVo does, and it provided most other stuff like Weather with HME. The confusing items were like the Jukebox which was an HME audio player that I think used the HMO configuration to find the music files.
     
  3. Lurker1

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    Galleon also has Music and Photos apps that work better and are more configurable than the TiVo built-in apps. I use(d) those every day for many years.
     
  4. Lurker1

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    Are we jumping the gun to assume HME is dead and not just temporarily broken? The built-in music app has stopped working too, and no one is suggesting that is dead.
     
  5. davidblackledge

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    Let's just call it "not actively supported."
    They break a little more of it with every update.
    * Bolt was released with add-an-app broken. They eventually "fixed" that by removing the button.
    * They broke add-an-app on everything for a few months, although they did fix it again.
    * They broke MP4 playback on all models and MP3 playback on some.
    * Now this.

    So if I understand the reports correctly, the only HME that works now is Add-an-app (not on Bolt, of course) and then only stuff listed as "Music" or "photos" genres, but "Music" HME apps don't work because of the broken MP3 features on most models, and through HME only MPEG2 videos work.
     
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  6. eohrnberger

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    I'm detecting a downhill slope with your recounting.

    How long ago was it that the old TiVo was taken over / sold / transitioned? The old spirit has inertia which typically keeps the going for only so long.
     
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  7. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    OK, let me suggest it: The built-in music app is also dead.

    TiVo gave up on HME years ago, to all appearances. Existing apps just kept running by inertia. (TiVo dropped their own HME apps long since.) Now and then, they fiddle with some adjacent code, and in the process, break some aspect of HME or HMO. It happens more and more often, and is less and less often fixed when it does.

    If you're holding your breath for some official declaration by TiVo, you'll be turning blue.
     
  8. Lurker1

    Lurker1 Well-Known Member

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    OK, your position sounds perfectly reasonable. In your estimation, how long do we have left until PC-to-TiVo video transfers permanently stop working with no warning or explanation? I notice that my pyTivo video shares are now greyed out with a yellow exclamation symbol - that can't be a good sign.
     
  9. M2-

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    Stream Baby is showing up and working on my new Tivo Bolt software version 20.7.4xxxx. Not at home so can't remember exact version but I just fired up the new Bolt on 10/16/2017.
     
  10. eohrnberger

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    I've got 2 TiVo series 4 here that are still talking to Galleon. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad.

    TiVo: Please don't disrupt what I've got. I like it, and I'm using it every day. Thanks in advance.
     
  11. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    My Elite has 20.7.4 and I confirm streambaby now shows up in "Apps" menu again, so looks like local HME apps are once again accessible via TiVo UI. Perhaps this will be last UI update before Hydra, so if one chooses not to go with Hydra (I certainly won't) hopefully this will work for a long time.
     
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Did they fix music shares too?
     
  13. davidblackledge

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    EnterWebz users will notice that all listings are now showing again after this update. Looks to me like they simply fixed "other" genre (including local-network HME announced apps).

    The interesting thing is, "other" genre items now show up before the "Add an App" buttons, and all others ("music" and "photos" genres) show up AFTER the "Add an App."
    I don't list anything as "video" genre normally now...so I'm not sure which zone they show up in.

    The bad news is, I have one user reporting Radio Auricle is no longer working for him (I presume on his Premiere... his Series 3 didn't get an update, I think) - so they may have added the mp3 player breakage to series 4 as well.
     

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