Questions about the Series 3

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Justin Thyme, Jan 6, 2006.

  1. Jan 6, 2006 #61 of 167
    Justin Thyme

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    Hard to say from how they related it. The Tivo rep might have been hemming and hawing about the technical and legal issues, and the reporter took that as a no.

    It is a contradiciton of what Mega said- he said all TTG and HME/HMO features, so unless I or he misunderstood the question and answer, that's pretty definitive about MRV.
     
  2. Jan 6, 2006 #62 of 167
    SullyND

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    Or as a second or third TiVo unit - a Series3 out front, and a 6412 in the bedroom...
     
  3. Jan 6, 2006 #63 of 167
    Justin Thyme

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    Well- I wonder if you could use a 6412 as your primary digital collector. Probably unlikely they will allow, but that involves Comcast fee structure knowlege to predict. Maybe you can answer because I don't know their fees.

    Don't they have a charge by connected room? If you are MRV'ing content to the T2's, then no charge. If you have a digital unit connected to their wire- do you get they get more $$$? If so, they aren't going to like allowing MRV from a 6412 to an S2.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2006 #64 of 167
    jfh3

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    No matter how many threads you ask this question on, the answer's going to be the same. :)

    1) A box with native HDMI/HD input capability would be cost-prohibitive.
    2) Tivo isn't ignoring the Dish/DirecTV market. Dish and DirecTV have chosen to ignore the Tivo market. Big difference.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2006 #65 of 167
    ZeoTiVo

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    I asked him at tivolovers.com because Iwas interested in the speed and it was one box hooked up to a TV and one box just plugged in for power.

    no TTG or MRV shown at the show. Megazone did report that TiVo reps told him the box would have full MRV and TTG and that SD video could be MRVed to a sereis 2. And really the only restricitions cable labs could od are the same retsrictions you would get from macrovision license I think. any one like DT_DC want to chime in if they know different ?

    I think it is just the PCMAG writer doing his best to intepret a vaugue reply from TiVo
     
  6. Jan 7, 2006 #66 of 167
    Justin Thyme

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    I should add here, that the SA3 or any other cablecard 1.0 compliant device will do PPV just fine. It's just that you have to call them to watch the show like on Satelllite. With a cablecard 2.0, you can press a button to say ok.

    To get this marvel of interactivity :rolleyes: for VOD and interactive PPV, the CE vendor must support and entire Operating system called OCAP. No thanks, I'll make the call instead.
     
  7. Jan 7, 2006 #67 of 167
    audiocrawford

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    Well, my Series 2 isn't very far into it's lifespan, and I'm not at all feeling buyers remorse. I too whole-heartedly agree they will live on side-by-side for quite some time. The average user has no use for 80% of the new features in the Series 3, and I'm sure it won't be nearly as user-customizable as Series 2 (just like Series 2 was to Series 1 before it).

    I think it will be a long time before Series 3 outperforms Series 2 in sales, especially in big boxes like BB, etc.

    AC
     
  8. Jan 7, 2006 #68 of 167
    Bytez

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    Does the series 3 record the raw HD stream and transferrable to PC??
     
  9. Jan 7, 2006 #69 of 167
    Justin Thyme

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    I don't know what you mean by raw, but it will capture an Mpeg2 file that is High definition. It will do this from Cable or over the Air (aerial) transmissions.

    Many of these HD shows (certianly any channels you can also get over the air) you will be able to copy over to a PC.

    Hope this helps.
     
  10. Jan 7, 2006 #70 of 167
    Dan203

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    It hasn't been confirmed 100% yet, but according to Megazone, who questioned TiVo employees at the show, they are planning to allow all networking features function on HD content. Which includes HD content. The only road block they may run into is it's possible CableLabs, the people who control CableCARD, could require them to prevent transfers of programs which were originally decoded using the CableCARD. Which would be any program recorded from digital cable channels or non-public HD channels such as Discovery or ESPN. (public channels like CBS, NBC, ect... are required by the FCC to be sent unencrypted over cable and should not be subject to this limitation should it be enforced)

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  11. Jan 7, 2006 #71 of 167
    Justin Thyme

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    Dan- the non OTA digital channels like discovery... is there a better term for them? DT_DC uses the term "premium channels" which in FCC lingo seems to have this meaning. However, it confuses people because they think what is being referred to is HBO and showtim (consumer's notion of "Premium" video channels).
     
  12. Jan 7, 2006 #72 of 167
    Dan203

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    I don't know of any better terminology for them.

    Dan
     
  13. Jan 7, 2006 #73 of 167
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    I think you could probably order PPV from a website also. I think DirecTV offers this and maybe some Cable Companies. I think phone ordering has a fee, but the website ordering is free.
     
  14. Jan 7, 2006 #74 of 167
    Justin Thyme

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    Yeah. I don't see why CEA vendors should have to support an entire proprietary operating system (OCAP) and proprietary Network just to register a crummy OK button click for PPV or VOD.

    Cablecos should be required to offer internet support for VOD and PPV via open non proprietary technology like HTTPS and XML. That way, Cablecard HDTVs, PCs, and DVRs will have full access to the cableco's network of content, which was the 1996 telecom law directed was to be open to third party devices. If the cableco is allowed to hide shows behind artificially exaggerated hardware requirements for trivial funcationality, then the FCC should come down hard on them.

    Enough of the games, cablelabs.
     
  15. Jan 7, 2006 #75 of 167
    classicsat

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    Cable seems fine to me, as an opposition to broadcast.
     
  16. Jan 7, 2006 #76 of 167
    Justin Thyme

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    No, I meant- within a digitial cable lineup, a quick consumer recoginzable way to refer to the digital cable channels that can be encrypted and flagged (aka "premium channels") vs. the ones (OTA or broadcast) where encryption and flags are prohibited by FCC regulation.
     
  17. Jan 8, 2006 #77 of 167
    megazone

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    No, it is not bootable. But the subscription is tied to the TSN, which is in a chip on the motherboard, not the drive.

    Getting the OS image as as simple as buying InstantCake from PTVUpgrade.com (for the Series2 today, obviously).

    No marketing plans have been set for the S3 yet - but I personally very, very, VERY much doubt there will be a lifetime transfer promo.
     
  18. Jan 8, 2006 #78 of 167
    megazone

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    They have to, that's what digital cable uses.

    In other words - yes.
     
  19. Jan 8, 2006 #79 of 167
    megazone

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    Standalone TiVos have supported satellite since the early days. Connect the A/V output of the satellite receiver to the TiVo, and control it with serial or IR. Just like a cable box.
     
  20. Jan 8, 2006 #80 of 167
    megazone

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    0. TiVo told me they intend to support MRV, TTG, and HME. It is possible the first release of the box may not have all the features in the software, it depends on the development timeframe and time to market. But they're planned.

    1. Yes.

    2. There were two on the floor - one wired up as a demo, and the other on display. The latter is the one I photographed since I could move it around, etc.
     

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