Questions about the Series 3

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Justin Thyme, Jan 6, 2006.

  1. Jan 6, 2006 #21 of 167

    schalliol New Member

    Feb 13, 2003


    I sure hope that hey offer the transfer of lifetime service to the series 3 as they did when they did when S2 came out from S1s. If they offer that, I'll buy a box for sure, otherwise, I'm not so sure.

    As for the sat folks (myself included), at minium this works for non HD content. I agree getting HD in there with DD audio would be a key point.
  2. Jan 6, 2006 #22 of 167

    nhaigh Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    You know I'm not sure they will. I think that demand will be so high out of the gate there will be no need to try and spur it on with an offer like that.

    Many people will be happy to take one in addition to their series 2 and pay $6.95 per month. I can see people keeping the lifetime S2's active just for that reason.
  3. Jan 6, 2006 #23 of 167

    interactiveTV New Member

    Jul 2, 2000
    I'd be more interested in porting my season passes and thumbs. Seems totally silly to have to redo all of that.

    That's been one issue in keeping me from upgrading one of my original S1s (which was once a 14 hour box)...

  4. Jan 6, 2006 #24 of 167

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    It is discussed elsewhere. It is partially due to the wishes of content owners, partially due to cost (in that the cost of HD encoders would be beyond what a consumer device would get away with).
  5. Jan 6, 2006 #25 of 167

    JoeTivo25 Member

    Sep 1, 2004


    I was previously with Directv, before Katrina blew my Dish and both tivos away. I've been trying to decide whether to re-sign up with Directv, but the only reason I had it was because of the Direct-tivo. With Directv dumping Tivo and switching to MPEG4, I have no reason to go back. If not having directv connectivity keeps the costs down, I'm all for it.

    If I can get an HD Tivo, without having to slap a gi-normous 5 LNB Super Dish with 5 Coax outs on top of my roof, all the better. Till then, I'll stick with my 40 hour Series 2 Tivo and get in line for the upcoming new HD Tivo.

  6. Jan 6, 2006 #26 of 167

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    Plus, as a marketing strategy, NOT allowing the transfer would prompt more folks to keep their series 2 (at $6.95/month) rather than dump it, and add the series 3 as a lifetime or $12.95/month. TiVo would stand to gain much more, and I agree that there's more than enough pent-up demand to spur sales of the series 3.
    Now, where's that sign-up list :D ?
  7. Jan 6, 2006 #27 of 167

    schalliol New Member

    Feb 13, 2003
    Well, many of us don't have multiple TVs we want to view on, so more than one TiVo isn't helpful.
  8. Jan 6, 2006 #28 of 167
    Johnny Mnemonic

    Johnny Mnemonic New Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I would be really interested to know if the external HD is bootable.

    Put another way, I have a significant investment in my Lifetime subscription--which I understand to evaporate once the internal HD of my Tivo Series 2 dies; even if I replaced the failed drive with a COTS version, the OS and subscription info would be gone, and I'd have to re-register the box even if I could find the system to run it someplace.

    I am seriously considering opening my box and backing up the internal HD just to preserve the subscription in the event of HD failure. But that seems like a real PITA.

    I feel that the HD failing is the most likely cause of Tivo failure--it runs lots, it's pretty hot in an enclosed box, etc. I expect that the MTBF for the Tivo HDs is way lower than for the CPU or logic board, for instance.

    So I'd really like to know: if I were to get an external HD that is offered by the Series 3--if the standard internal drive fails, would I still lose my OS and sub info?

    The show data I could live without. I mean, it's just TV. But the lifetime sub info is worth $250 to me.


    As a corollary, are they willing to give the likelihood of a transfer of Lifetime Subs to the new box when it's available? I'm considering a Myth box anyways, for Mac support, but a free transfer of Life Sub to newer hardware (thereby extending the life of the lifetime) would put that move off for a lot longer to be sure. As it is, once my HD in my Tivo dies, it gets replaced with a Myth box (or a Mac mini, ask me next week).
  9. Jan 6, 2006 #29 of 167

    Gregor Wear Your Mask! TCF Club

    Feb 18, 2002
    The id information for the Series2 is carried on the motherboard, not the HD, so the HD is easily replaceable if you're familiar with PC hardware.

    Take a peek over in the upgrade forum :)
  10. Jan 6, 2006 #30 of 167

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

    Apr 2, 2001

    What makes you say that??

    I replaced the original HD in my Series 1 TiVo (with lifetime) with a normal, off the shelf drive I bought from CompUSA. We copied the entire contents of the old drive (30 GB) to the new one (120 GB), and when I booted it up, everythin gwas EXACTLY the same, except I had more space.
  11. Jan 6, 2006 #31 of 167

    Squeak Well-Known Member TCF Club

    May 12, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    Wrong. Subscription is tied to the motherboard, not the hard drive.
  12. Jan 6, 2006 #32 of 167

    PeteEMT NF2 Guy

    Jul 24, 2003
    Unadilla, NY
    Your sub info isnt stored on the drive either way

    ETA: What he said
  13. Jan 6, 2006 #33 of 167

    CaptainBadAss New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    New York City
    Sorry if this has been asked, but does the cable tuner support QAM?


    PS Me WANT!
  14. Jan 6, 2006 #34 of 167

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004
    the extrenal drive is simply more storage that they coded up so the TiVo will keep running if the extranl drive is unplugged. Yo ucan not do anything else with the data on the external drive other than play it or MRV/TTG it within the Tivo it was working with.

    I think it would be a significant hack to the kernel to make an external drive bootable but I imagine with time that will happen.

    of course as pointed out, your reason for wanting this is moot. TiVo hard drives are upgraded swapped out etc.. daily. There is no loss of subscription info
  15. Jan 6, 2006 #35 of 167

    CaptainBadAss New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    New York City
    My question is...Will a "standalone" TiVo ever be able to somehow interface with DirecTV?
    I love my DirecTV, but shudder to think of the possibility of using their "DVR."

  16. Jan 6, 2006 #36 of 167

    dmdeane sedentary adventurer

    Apr 17, 2000
    I only have one TV, but I have multiple TiVos. Just get a splitter and run cable to each TiVo. Switch box allows you to switch between TiVos with a remote, all on the same TV. Having multiple TiVos on a single TV is VERY helpful.
  17. Jan 6, 2006 #37 of 167
    Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

    Mar 29, 2005
    I think you know that Tivo's don't "Stream" in the precise sense of the term but you mean- transfer at least as fast as required for real time display. I think you are assuming 10 to 12 Mbit/sec for MPEG4 commercially compressed content that can legally be described as having HD resolution (BTW- a heck of a lot of technical games can be played with that). I have used the 10Mbit number but have been lazy and not refreshed my information on this point.

    I would like a lot more clarity on this as well. I know there are a lot of net experts here and my understanding is pretty fuzzy on the fundamentals.

    I know you were looking at minimum demands but if it is not clear, the demands on the home network could be much higher. For all we know at this point, the transfers could go really fast- the MRV could be performed as fast as the Tivo Load, NIC, and network congestion allows- so maybe a transfer from one T3 to another would be 70Mbits- regardless if it is SD or HD. Maybe some of the Network guys will step in here and tell me why that would be a really irresponsible thing to do, and why they would put in a fixed throttled back speed limit.

    It is conceivable that they would only dynamically throttle them, if they would do so at all- in other words- only pull back in the case that they are preventing other users from accessing the network.

    Anyway, once we get past the question of what the actual speed demand is, let's say we are going to do at least 10Mbits to do a respectable HD. It looks like it is hard to get up to the actual bandwidth capacity of a 100Mbit home network.

    I am no expert on this- only a half year ago I didn't know that HUBs were old technology and actually slow down an entire network to the rate of one of the spokes that is talking. EG- if you had a 10Mbit NIC- the whole network would throttle back to 10Mbit. Today, routers work so that each spoke can run at slower speeds while other spokes are running at top speed.

    Here is my untutored picture of how it works, and I invite/ (plead with) any net head passing by to correct me. If you had a Star type arrangement to your router- the router in the "center" and each T3 on spokes of the wheel, then Tivo-A could run at 70Mbits inbound to router, and outbound at 70Mbits to Tivo-B. Meanwhile Tivo-C could be talking to Tivo-D at 70Mbits too because they are using independent spokes of the wheel. That is, 140 Mbits are being transfered on a 100Mbit network.

    Now- if the "topology" is not a star but at the end of one of those spokes is a switch, then the capacity of that section of the net would be 100Mbits.
  18. Jan 6, 2006 #38 of 167
    Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

    Mar 29, 2005
    On the decoder support, I know all the major chip guys (including the likely suspect Broadcom) they usually provide you code for WMV9/10, xVid, DivX5/6.

    If I say saved all my stuff to Divx6 hidef, would it be a safe bet that the T3 would play and scale it properly?

    Here's what Gizomodo said in their blurb:
    I know it is general practice to make no definitive statements, but what we are after his is an indication of a likelihood, not anything definitive that anyone would expect Tivo to be held to. Any way you can weedle an indication of an answer to the question would be helpful.

    The motivation here is that many Tivo enthusiasts are archiving content but are tempted to archive to Mpeg4. By the time T3 appears, they'd like to have a boatload of MPEG4 content that will play on the T3 when it is ready. I have already filled up 3 300GB drives with Mpeg2 content, so all I am doing now is writing stuff to Mpeg4. Not really particular which mpeg4 they indicate is most likely- I happen to be using Divx6 because it is Fast/convenient. But if it would be a safer bet to be using WMV9, then fine. I doesn't matter really if they dump the format later, at least I tried- the alternative is to just not save any any more or transcode/ resize these later.

    So Divx6 "hidef" profile, or WMV9 at 720x480 VBR (4000mbit Max) ok?
  19. Jan 6, 2006 #39 of 167

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

    Apr 2, 2001

    Or maybe encode the video with H.264?? Will WMV9 or WMV10 do H.264? Or does it only do some proprietary MS stuff? (I dunno, as I'm not a PC guy for this sort of thing)
  20. Jan 6, 2006 #40 of 167

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    HD content is actually encoded in MPEG-2 format at roghly 17-20Mbps. In the real world you'll see performance in the 50-70Mbps range from a 10/100 network. Which means, provided it can run at full speed, an S3 should be able to transfer a HD stream to another TiVo in 1/2-1/3 realtime.

    As for artifical throtteling... I don't think they'll do that unless they get a lot of complaints. 99.9% of people who buy these things probably only have a home network for internet surfing anyway, and that takes up what 1.5-3.0Mbps of banwidth. I doubt anyone would even notice the slight slow down caused by a TiVo transfer saturating their network. And if they do they could always upgrade to gigabit, then the TiVo would only be capable of saturating 1/10 of their available bandwidth.


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