Questions about setting up service with Comcast Cable

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by TivoFan, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    That's true, except though they did show a positive $8 Million net income for last quarter compared to a $10 Million loss for the same quarter last year, and I think that is without taking into account any legal settlement money. So it looks like they have at least turned a corner.
     
  2. lpwcomp

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    So. Get something good enough for you or do without. That's one of the most arrogant statements I've ever read, and that's saying a lot for the TCF. Who the hell are you to tell someone how to allocate their limited resources and what constitutes an objectively acceptable viewing experience. Or are you just completely clueless and simply cannot imagine a situation wherein someone has a certain amount of disposable monthly income but no COH or at least none that they are willing to part with to acquire new equipment.

    He only "mentioned" TiVos in the context of HD when he asked whether or not his existing TiVos would work with a Comcast HD box or Comcast HD DVR.

    It's pretty clear that you have no idea that people can have priorities other than yours and can wish to have "something" rather than nothing if the "something" is all they can afford.
     
  3. lpwcomp

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    And Bigg manages to break his own record for arrogance.
     
  4. Bigg

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    The OP could get Comcast's less crappy X1 system. At least it provides a basic level of modern functionality, like multi-room HD recording. Heck, even the older WH-DVR system using the DCX3400 (on Moto systems) does that. Series 2 TiVos do not. However, it still boils down to the point about why someone is paying a bunch of money for cable TV if they are that strapped for cash (and somehow buying a house too?). It just doesn't add up.

    Whatever.

    I loved our Series 2 TiVo back in the day. It was amazing. It was great. But the ship has long since sailed on those days. Those days are over. Calling a Series 2 TiVo "something" in this day and age is a big stretch at best. If that TiVo ever gets resurrected from it's bad hard drive, it would be a geek project for a toy, it certainly has no useful function at this point.

    The ship sailed away from SD in the 2008-2011 timeframe. Really, around 2008 was the golden age of HD. It was a standard and pretty much fully commoditized by 2011. It's now 2014. Technology progresses. Deal with it. Even my 81-year-old grandmother recently got an HD cable box.

    Sorry if you don't like reality. The ship has sailed for HD and multi-tuner DVR systems a long time ago.
     
  5. lpwcomp

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    Bigg,

    It's still a matter for you of "if you can't afford to scrap your current equipment and buy and/or rent HD equipment, don't bother cause it isn't worth watching"* and "if you can't afford HD, then you can't afford cable at all and shouldn't be spending any of your limited disposable income on it"

    * Actually, you seem to think that very little of it is worth watching at all but HD makes some of it tolerable.
     
  6. Bigg

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    There is some good stuff out there, but since the 2008-2011 timeframe, everything is produced for viewing on an HDTV in one way or another, such that watching stuff on a non-HDTV provides a significantly inferior experience. That's why a couple years ago, we finally got rid of the remaining analog TVs in the fleet, to go all-HD.
     
  7. lpwcomp

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    The thing is, there is a vast difference between obsolete/inferior and unacceptable. The former is presumably objective. The latter is completely subjective.
     
  8. CrispyCritter

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    No, each quarter currently includes some $30 million of legal settlement money that they already received a while back but are recognizing quarterly as income. It's being accounted for under the "technology revenue" category. They still have a ways to go to making a profit operationally.
     
  9. tarheelblue32

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    Ah okay, that makes sense. I wasn't sure what the "technology revenue" line item was on their financial statements. I wish they would just use more accurate language like "legal settlement revenue". So yeah, without that "technology revenue" they would still be operating at a loss ever quarter.
     
  10. telemark

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    tivofan: Comcast has a lot of box types. These are the common categories:
    a) SD DTA
    b) HD DTA
    c) SD Box
    d) HD Box
    e) HD DVR
    f) HD X1

    You'll have to check the extra box prices in your market, but you'll likely want to gravitate to A or C for your Tivos. In some parts of the country the DTA's are free.
    A) connects to the Tivo via Coax and IR blasters
    C) adds Composite connectors and rarely a serial port
    The other major difference is the DTA's are limited to what channels (no premiums) it can receive, but the SD Box is not restricted that way. People's reports vary on this point so it's something you should try out (esp since the DTA is so cheap)

    Regarding the HD Box and others, alot if not all of Comcast equipment has a Coax or A/V out so should be workable if need be. When you see the rental prices though, if the more advanced boxes are going to cost more, there's no benefit in your setup.

    Regarding the HD DVR, it can also watch Live TV, but if you get this box, you would run this to your TV directly. There's no reason to plug it into a Tivo.

    I'm not familiar with Comcast plans, but all this discussion about HD boxes starts to make it sound like you're paying for an extra something you're not going to use.

    A question worth exploring later, is there anyway to reenable the Dual Tuner, but the discussion would be drawn out.
     
  11. lpwcomp

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    If you do get a DTA to feed one of the TiVos, you should also consider getting one of these:

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    Should be much more reliable than an IR blaster.

    Note: I've never used one myself. My sole remaining operational Series 2 is being fed by a full SD box controlled via serial cable.
     
  12. javabird

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    I agree with this. I helped my mom set up her Tivo S2 this way. She has a Comcast Motorola cable box on the set with her Tivo and a DTA on her other set (without a Tivo, she only watches live TV on that one). In our area, the 1st Comcast outlet is free (so the cable box is free on the first Tivo) and there's a nominal charge on the 2nd outlet (the DTA - I can't remember how much it is) She doesn't care about watching HD so it works for her.

    You don't need an HD box if you only have SD (analog) TV's.
     
  13. cannonz

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    I've used one for several months now with a DTA, hasn't failed me once.
     
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    Is something like this cable available for a premiere and a slingbox HD Pro?
     
  15. lpwcomp

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    No. I don't know of any TiVo has the necessary remote IR sensor input.
     
  16. telemark

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    Slingbox should have used Tivo's network remote. No extra hardware required.

    If you're viewing from a PC, you can still run your own remote if you setup NAT traversal.
     
  17. lpwcomp

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    That would have required adding code to the Slingbox s/w.
     
  18. Bigg

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    Sort of subjective. The whole industry has determined that HD is the standard. And even what's obsolete isn't exactly clear. Comcast has to support all sorts of legacy crap that customers attach to their systems, even though obviously it would be dumb to do anything more than offer basic support for antiquated obsolete systems, since the people with those systems are usually low value customers anyways.

    Do they still have SD DVRs? It would stupid to still be deploying them at this point, but knowing Comcast, they have some in a corner somewhere...

    Translation, you need an HDTV to be able to enjoy Comcast services with either a TiVo or Comcast's X1 DVR.

    Not only does SD look like crap, but theirs looks that much worse. My system doesn't have ESPNU HD, and man, ESPNU games look like crap. There is nothing you can do to make SD look good.

    DTAs are $2/mo. We returned our two before they started charging and just kept the two HD/DVR boxes, since the DTAs were so rarely used. If all you want is news or baseball or something on a tertiary TV while you're doing something else and not really looking at the TV, DTAs are OK, otherwise they are completely worthless.

    Yeah, it would actually have made sense. It's an open spec TiVo published basically for Crestron, but anyone can use it.
     
  19. lpwcomp

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    And that is all totally subjective. What is intolerable to you is acceptable to others, especially given their available choices and priorities. Just because someone makes choices that differ from the ones you made doesn't make them illogical or wrong. What would be illogical is for someone to drastically alter their priorities based on the fact that you couldn't tolerate the situation otherwise.
     
  20. Bigg

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    What would be logical is for the OP is get with the program and get HD.

    Not sure what the exact right word for it is, but SD picture quality is objectively poor. No subjectivity there.
     

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