Premiere DVRs, it just isn't worth it!

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by StringFellow, Apr 5, 2010.

  1. satmaster

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    Series 2 will do more than the new version. Just does not have HD. You get a loss of features.
     
  2. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    I don't get the joke :confused:
     
  3. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    if that is all you do then you spent too much for the TiVo HD as well :rolleyes:
     
  4. spclkaz

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    The PXL is overpriced for what it is... as the previous purchaser of FIVE TIVO units, all with Lifetime Subscriptions and a devoted TIVO user, the new unit is simply NOT worth the cost of upgrading, even with the "discount incentives" to previous owners to encourage the upgrade.

    While the cost of upgrading to a modest increase in capability is already high, when you add in the buggy software, it becomes even less of a bargain...

    No wonder TIVO is losing market share... over 700,000 subscribers in the last year alone... that's MY 2 cents...
     
  5. eddieb187

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    I'm not a Tivo fanboy and I'm not crazy about the current state of my recently purchased Premiere XL with all the bugs. The SD menus are fast though.
    However, with the discount I recieved, I don't think the XL is overpriced.
    I'd gladly pay $399. to avoid the ripoff monthly rental fees most cable cos charge for their poor excuse of a DVR.
    My cable co charges over $20. a month for a DVR and dvr service. It's very buggy and you can't even swap between tuners. The buffer clears.
    Even in it's current state, my Tivo XL's SD interface is elegant and very fast compaired to their offering.
     
  6. Mike-Mike

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    i lurked on these forums for a month, and i have been posting for about a month. and all of these S3HD or original S3 owners who love to hate on the TP & TPXL sound like a jealous ex girlfriend or boyfriend. If you don't want to upgrade that's fine, but what is the point of constantly complaining and bashing? And regardless you all act like there is no other market for TiVo than current subs. I have never had a TiVo and I am looking forward to ordering my PXL. If you use OTA & Netflix, TiVo is easily the best choice, and the Premiere is their best offering. The world does exist outside of your bubble, if you choose not to upgrade that does not mean TiVo is going to fail. And quite frankly if you do have a S3HD or an older TiVo and you do love your TiVo, you should want them to succeed.
     
  7. nrc

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    People would really like to have everything perfect out of the box. Fair enough, those people shouldn't buy right now. Or if they did they should take it back and get a refund. Almost nothing arrives perfect on day one.

    The iPad arrived months after it was first shown and it still has problems. The Premiere shipped just weeks after its introduction. Shocking that there would be problems.

    Should TiVo have waited? Maybe. I certainly don't feel a need to upgrade today, but I'm glad that if my S3 dies tomorrow (heaven forbid) I'll be able to replace it with a TiVo Premiere that will be able to support all the latest features for the foreseeable future.
     
  8. lessd

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    I am one of the people that own the Series 3 and a TiVo-Hd and I am now testing the PXL and to say the PXL only has problems because I am jealous is a XXXXX comment, the Series 4 P or PXL HAS problems using the HDUI for well over 80% of the users trying it out, being jealous has nothing to do with these problems, and who every said we, on this form, want TiVo not to succeed, from my view the best hardware TiVo ever made was the original Series 3, with software upgrades the S4P or PXL may, at some point, be a better system with the HDUI, but it's not there yet. Speed in the SD menu part is not that important, as my Series 3 can go through my long now playing list in about .75 of a second, the Series 4 in SD may take .4 seconds, both are fast enough to not be annoying, the HDUI taking a few seconds is annoying. The hang ups are far more annoying, especially the circle of death. The Series 3 also gives no audio noise when changing HD channeles that are sending out 5.1 audio, the TiVo-HD had a lot of noise on some audio systems and the Series 4 has much less noise but not zero noise as the Series 3 has.
     
  9. Mike-Mike

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    I said "if you don't want to upgrade" so Les you are clearly not who I was directing my comments at, seeing as you have upgraded to a PXL, I said the HD or S3 owners who are NOT upgrading and are constantly complaining saying there is no point in having the new box. Regardless of it's flaws, there is a laundry list of improvements in hardware over the previous version. And as I said, upgrades are not TiVo's only customer base by any means.

    Now if you have upgraded and are citing problems you have experienced, that is perfectly reasonable IMO. But these forums are flooded with HD and older users who are still complaining about not having a need to upgrade. No one is forcing these users to upgrade, if they choose not to, then that is fine. But I grow tired of constantly reading about people saying there is no point to upgrade and Tivo is losing people or how they are going to fail. The post from SPCLKAZ above is what triggered it, but I really do not want to single him/her out seeing as t here are 100's of posts just like that one.
     
  10. RoyK

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    Wonder why?
     
  11. Mike-Mike

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    you clearly aren't reading either
     
  12. HiDefGator

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    I find all the upgrade comments strange. I don't Tivo ever intended for everyone to want to upgrade to the series 4. I kind of doubt a design goal was to make all the existing customers want to upgrade. Tivo makes more money if you don't upgrade. The series 4 is just the next version of Tivo. It was never meant to be the Tivo that replaced all existing Tivo's.

    If you think about it Ford comes out with a new Truck every year. But no one sits around saying I don't think the '10 has enough new features for me to trade in my '09.
     
  13. aaronwt

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    How do they make more money if i don't upgrade? I have six lifetime TiVoHD/S3 units. They make no more money from me unless I upgrade. Which is what I did. Eight Premiere units, Six Lifetime. Strictly because of the generous upgrade offer.

    And even when I sell the old boxes, they won't be making any more money off of them. At least not directly.
     
  14. mvnuenen

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    In this very thread I gave you my reasons why. They might not apply to you or many others but at least I substantiated my reasons and took the time to write it down. Here is another one: I like to have the latest gagdets. Entertains me for a while and keeps me out of the bars. The latter saves me probably much more than $400 too. SO worth the upgrade! :D
     
  15. parzec

    parzec Wizard of Oz

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    Agreed...This is the first new model of Tivo that I haven't wanted to go out and purchase immediately upon its release. It looks like they are going to have the same problem that has plagued Tivo since its inception -- convincing people why they need it. I'm a Tivo loyalist and I can't see any benefit to the new interface and search capabilities, even if the implementation wasn't buggy.
     
  16. vstone

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    As an owner of two S3's, I happily replaced a S2DT with a premier and am happy using it with SD menus, although it does have some bugs.
     
  17. jmpage2

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    Agreed. This isn't about jealousy, etc. This is about TiVo setting the bar low for this upgrade and hitting below the mark even further.

    TiVo needs us (especially lifetime users) to upgrade to this new box but at the moment there is little to no reason to do the upgrade beyond faster MRV.

    If TiVo had completed their HD UI with multi-threading prior to the launch as well as a few other common sense features (streaming?? hello!!) you would see users being much more excited about this new box.

    I want TiVo to succeed because I like their products, this product though in its current incarnation is a dud. I suspect that even though a number of users have run out to buy these that on the whole TiVo is going to continue to bleed subscribers at an alarming rate.

    Maybe they can hold on long enough for someone with some sense to come in and run the company more effectively, and bring compelling products to the market.
     
  18. jmpage2

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    I should add that what drives people TO TiVo away from their cable company DVR in the first place is the improved stability of the TiVo as well as features TiVo has (MRV, etc) that Cable Co DVRs don't have.

    The problem is that Motorolla, Moxi and other Cable Co provided DVRs continue to close the gap, while TiVo seems to do very little to out distance competitors.

    And remember, the TiVo in most cases is a premium cost over your rented Cable Co DVR. $700 for a TiVo with lifetime takes about 4 years to break even on the investment. Not to mention warranty issues (Cable Co will swap or upgrade your box as often as you like), etc.

    A lot of us are not "jealous", we are not "whining", we are geniunely concerned about the direction TiVo has taken with the Premiere.... instead of a fresh re-write of their software that could possibly have broken cross platform compatibility but introduced tons of exciting new features, they have elected to "play it safe" and offer extremely tiny, incremental feature improvements.

    In a year's time they might discover that they seriously mis-calculated in making this decision.
     
  19. RichB

    RichB Oppo Beta Group

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    Actually, TiVo has some catching up to do.
    Between family members, I have 10 TiVo's on my account, so I am far from a bashers, but the facts speak for themselves.

    This launch is amazing. Are there really any new, first time, users for TiVo?
    Given the stability problems, wouldn't they just get returned?

    If it is not happening, then the buyers must be experienced TiVo folks who have the patience to wait for some fixes.

    - Rich
     
  20. aaroncgi

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    Actually, what drove us to Tivo had nothing to do with stability or features, it was monthly cost, pure and simple. A Tivo (unlike Moxi) allows us to completely do away with satellite or cable and record OTA. Our $700 investment will be paid off in only 16 months. Any time after that is free TV for us. Or, you could average it out over the expected life of the Tivo box... at least three years as that's our warranty, but we're hoping it's longer.

    We could have gone super cheap and gotten a Magnavox H2160MW9, but that's not remotely a fair comparison to the Premiere - no HD, no network connection, only a single tuner, etc.

    I realize we're in a very small niche, but the Tivo seems to be the only product which fits our needs. Cable/satellite provider monthly fees have gotten obscenely out of hand, and Tivo allows us to do away with those while still maintainining all of the functionality we have grown accustomed to - albeit with less channels.
     

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