Premier XL (2 Tuner - OTA and cable) and Bolt+ (6 Tuner - cable only)

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by Sparky1234, Nov 27, 2020.

  1. Sparky1234

    Sparky1234 Well-Known Member

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    The MoCA loop

    Is this correct for Bolt+?

    1. Check if you only have one MoCA Network Adapter or MoCA enabled TiVo DVR connected to your router via Ethernet.

    1. Only one device must create the MoCA network.

    2. Check if you did not accidentally connect both coax and Ethernet cable to a MoCA enabled DVR on the MoCA network.

    1. That will automatically enable Bridge mode
    2. The TiVo DVR will create another MoCA network rather than use the current network
     
  2. JoeKustra

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    I find deletion or failure of transferred programs don't show in History.

    I have no MoCA experience.
     
  3. Sparky1234

    Sparky1234 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your feedback!
     
  4. krkaufman

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    This (what the above bullets describe) hasn't been universally* true in the past.

    * The key difference is that a MoCA client-only BOLT *could* have its Ethernet port used to bridge its network connection to other co-located Ethernet-capable devices, even to an isolated network switch. You just wouldn't/shouldn't connect a MoCA client-only BOLT via Ethernet to the router's LAN, either directly or via a network switch that is linked to the router LAN, as doing so would create a network loop and, typically, kill all networking.
     
  5. krkaufman

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    If you've connected the devices via MoCA, why is Powerline still in the discussion? I'm unclear on how your devices are connected/networked.

    Can you provide more detail on exactly how your devices are all connected via coax, to each other, the G3100 and ONT, and through what other specific components (splitters)? What type of WAN connection is the G3100 set up with from the ONT, MoCA/coax or Ethernet? Being a FiOS setup, are there any native FiOS DVRs or STBs on the coax, or just the G3100 and your TiVo units?
     
  6. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    MoCA has built-in signal boosting, up to a point ... ranging from -30 to + 3 dBm ... so MoCA gear can drop or increase power levels depending on the circumstances to establish and maintain a connection.

    A quick check of the MoCA statistics can reveal if there are obvious issues, checking PHY rates and power levels. The Network Status troubleshooting dialog for any MoCA-connected TiVo box should offer pages of statistics, and the G3100 may have a diagnostics page, as well.
     
  7. krkaufman

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    No, assuming the coax line is a direct connection between the Premiere and the antenna, as there wouldn't be any MoCA signals to block. (The 2-tuner Premiere doesn't have built-in MoCA functionality, and so couldn't send a MoCA signal up that coax line if it really wanted to.)
     
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  8. Sparky1234

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    Got it thanks. Bolt+ is client to G3100 via coax and Bolt+ ethernet out to 5 port GB switch. Premiere XL is connected to same 5 port GB switch. Both Bolt+ and Premiere XL are connected to a smart TV via HDMI. This part is working great. Computer is connected to same 5 port GB switch with not loss of internet speed. Computer is also Plex server.
     
  9. Sparky1234

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    G3100 is a long way, and weak wifi signal, from Mini that I'm trying to get to work. Powerline provides wifi to FireTV for streaming.

    I wish I could provide a detailed map of this house but it has been coax wired no less than 3 times. There is coax everywhere. Walls are plaster and 3 layers of siding. I can't even get good Ohm results on what should be point to point coax. I have changed the splinters with MoCA compliant ones. G3100 runs MoCA at 1150 MHz.
     
  10. Sparky1234

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    Thought so but needed your expert confirmation. I have been reading you posting here on on the MoCA websites to get educated.
     
  11. Sparky1234

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    I'm thinking I may never solve the MoCA connection to the Mini. It works great on occasion for 1 show as long as I don't stop it. No logical reason to time of day, changes to connections, other devices running, etc., can't seem to isolate that sweet spot.
     
  12. krkaufman

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    The above is why I’m looking for a visual schematic of your setup, as I don't understand how your devices are physically connected and networked. I’m not saying that every extant coax line in the house needs to be mapped-out, but it should be possible to visualize how you have things currently connected, Ethernet, Powerline, Wi-Fi or coax, including switches and splitters, leaving mystery boxes, where necessary, to signify unknowns.


    No certainty that it has anything to do with MoCA.
     
  13. krkaufman

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    What is the brand & model # of this switch?

    Asking based on this possible cause (not knowing exactly how the Mini is connected)...

    V112 TiVo Code
     
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  14. krkaufman

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    What OS are you running on your BOLT+, 20.*/TE3 or 21.*/TE4?

    Asking based on this hypothetical cause (which was never confirmed via followup)...
     
  15. krkaufman

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    ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
     
  16. Sparky1234

    Sparky1234 Well-Known Member

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    Bolt+ shows no MoCA stats. Running TE3. Rough diagram of what is known is attached. Suspect Bolt+ is defaulting to ethernet only as both MoCA and ethernet are connected. Coax lines are difficult to trace from G3100, Bolt+ and Mini. I can't get a good ohm test on any coax lines.
     

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  17. krkaufman

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    Odd. Anything on the MoCA-connected Mini or G3100?

    The Premiere (Smart TV, computer) would have no network connectivity if the BOLT+ weren’t bridging MoCA/Ethernet.

    Just for the sake of testing, have you tried the Mini:
    * direct-connected to the BOLT+ Ethernet port?
    * connected via the network switch?
    * using a 2-way splitter in front of the BOLT+?
    (Does the problem only persist with a MoCA setup, or is it regardless of network connection type?)

    And with the Mini in its original location, connected via coax/MoCA, do the V112 errors still occur if the BOLT+’s Ethernet port is empty? (just to eliminate that as a source of network hiccups)
     
  18. Sparky1234

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    Nothing in regard to MoCA stats on Bolt+, Mini or G3100.

    Mini works fine when connected:
    * direct-connected to the BOLT+ Ethernet port?
    * connected via the network switch?

    Have not tried this but will test:
    * using a 2-way splitter in front of the BOLT+?

    And with the Mini in its original location, connected via coax/MoCA, do the V112 errors still occur if the BOLT+’s Ethernet port is empty? Yes.

    Continuing to work the MoCA issues as the mini stutters and stops when connected to the powerline ethernet. Powerline is on a different circuit in this old house. Electrical wiring is a mess too, some circuits have no grounds, some circuits are overloaded, etc.
     
  19. krkaufman

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    Do you have multiple Mini’s? What happens if you swap their locations? Does any issue travel with the Mini or stick to the location?
     
  20. krkaufman

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    I'm curious... what download/upload speeds are you paying for, and what do you see when hard-wired via Ethernet to the G3100?
     

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