Premier XL (2 Tuner - OTA and cable) and Bolt+ (6 Tuner - cable only)

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by Sparky1234, Nov 27, 2020.

  1. krkaufman

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    Still looking for clarification Re: the above statement,

     
  2. Sparky1234

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    Sorry, I do not have coax anywhere in this house so I'm going to try powerline.
     
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  3. Sparky1234

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    Update: Successfully connected Netgear Powerline adapter to Mini (A93) to Premiere XL (2 tuner) and Bolt+ and it is working well so far. (NETGEAR PowerLINE 1000 Mbps WiFi, 802.11ac, 1 Gigabit Port - Essentials Edition) (PLW1010-100NAS) Added benefit the wireless signal from the adapter in that area of the house went from poor to good. Connected FireTV to the wireless signal and Plex for smooth video play back. OTA stuff is on the Premiere and connected Mini to Bolt+. Only missing live TV as the Mini reverts to the Bolt+ for live TV but its not connected to anything. Circa 1962 house and wiring with minimal circuits so less Powerline pass through loss. Getting incredible wireless and wired speeds.

    Setting up a reasonable indoor OTA antenna has been a challenge. I have made my own in the past but found this on to be the best so far: U MUST HAVE Amplified HD Digital TV Antenna Long 200+ Miles Range - Support 4K 1080p Fire tv Stick and All TV's - Indoor Smart Switch Amplifier Signal Booster - 18ft Coax HDTV Cable/AC Adapter. I'm about 30 miles from the TV transmitters so the boosted signal work slightly better. The Premiere XL tuner sucks but is workable on most UHF channels, for your VHF needs look elsewhere.

    Now I need to add one more AV adapter to make my setup complete. Only problem is Netgear only sells them in pairs. Anyone have any reasonably priced single Powerline adapter suggestions?
     
  4. Sparky1234

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    OK, so now the Premiere and Bolt video is stuttering across the Powerline.... Worked fine for a few days. I'm going to move the receiver to other plugs in the same room to see if that makes a difference. WiFi extender is still strong but that doesn't help the Mini.

    I have a pair of Netgear Powerline PL1200S on the way to add to my setup. Maybe they will work better that the PLW1010.
     
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    If I were to wire coax for MoCa with the G3100, can I connect the Bolt+ directly into the coax or does it need a POE filter? Will the Bolt+ ethernet port connected via a switch connect to the Premiere via the ethernet switch?
     
  6. krkaufman

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    A MoCA filter blocks MoCA signals ... and is used at the signal point-of-entry (“PoE”) to prevent the home network signals carried via MoCA from escaping the residence, and to efficiently reflect the MoCA signals back onto the home coax plant, providing a performance boost. MoCA filters are also used as a targeted prophylactic measure to protect individual devices that are adversely affected by the presence of MoCA signals (e.g. some SDV tuning adapters, older cable modems, newer DOCSIS 3.1 modems), with such “protective” MoCA filters typically installed directly on the coax input port of the individual device.

    So, if looking to network the BOLT+ via coax, effectively as a client to the G3100’s built-in MoCA access point (bridge), no you wouldn’t want a MoCA filter between the BOLT+ and the G3100. (Separately, performance benefits aside, FiOS setups don’t require a “PoE” MoCA filter to secure the MoCA network, as the signals won’t carry beyond the ONT.)

    And, *after* the BOLT+ is successfully networked as a MoCA client (courtesy of its built-in MoCA hardware), yes, you could utilize its otherwise unused Ethernet port and built-in MoCA bridging to extend the wired connectivity to an Ethernet-capable device, connecting an isolated network switch if multiple devices need a connection. (more here)
     
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  7. krkaufman

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    p.s. Some might inquire... if running new wire, why not run Cat5e — or both?
     
  8. Sparky1234

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    I'm at the mercy of the homeowner otherwise I would wire it correctly.
     
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    MoCA'ed the Premiere and Bolt+ as clients on the G3100 coax network without POE filters.... AND, I read your link closely and it mentions Minis as not MOCA capable, is that still true for the the A93000 version? Mini on MoCa worked initially and now sees the networked TiVos but will not connect with C117 failure and the Ethernet connected mini is having HDMI / HDCP handshake issues.
     
  10. krkaufman

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    It wasn't ever true. I suspect you misinterpreted "Minis lack MoCA *bridging* capability" as "Minis are not MoCA-capable." All Mini versions have built-in MoCA connectivity (they can connect to a MoCA network); no Mini version has the MoCA bridging support (ability to bridge between MoCA/coax and Ethernet) available in select TiVo DVRs ... where MoCA bridging is the functionality required to effect the solution outlined in the linked post.
    But perhaps I can update the post to eliminate the possibility of confusion, while adding in the EDGE series.

    HDMI/HDCP handshake shouldn't be a networking issue.

    As for the C117, more detail about your coax and network connections would be needed. Though, given the recent changes, you might do a full power reset. To do a full power reset, power down all your gear (modem, router, network switches, MoCA adapters, TiVo devices), and leave it all off for a minute or three; and then power the devices back on, in the order above, allowing each device to come online before proceeding to the next.
     
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    MoCa connected mini to the Bolt+ and now getting V112 error. I can connect to the internet and update the mini just fine. And the mini sees the Bolt+ and Premiere XL content. Powerline PL1200S and PLW1010 have same stuttering and pausing issues. I'm getting about 40 mbps when tested by computer from the powerline which should be plenty for the mini to work. Any suggestions on the V112 error?
     
  12. krkaufman

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    FYI... I believe there a couple typos in the listed models... the DAP-1650 and the TEW-800MB.
     
  13. JoeKustra

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    Fixed. Thanks for catching that. Short story. My one Mini uses the RE6500, which has been perfect for over two years. But suddenly I was getting disconnects every few hours. The signal level dropped from -55 to -61. I could not figure out what changed. So I stood where the Mini was located and just looked at the direction of the router. Seems I had stored the aluminum foil insulation for the window A/C behind the Mini's bridge. I relocated the insulation and the signal went back to -55. I'm back to running 10 hours nightly without any problems.

    BTW, while I prefer 5GHz, my Roku streams quite well at 2.4GHz, even UHD. But living in a semi-rural area, there's not much interference.
     
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    Nice troubleshooting!
     
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    So frustrating. Homeowner let me rewire coax and initially MoCa was terrific to the mini. A few hours later the mini went back to the V112 error. Nothing changed in that few hours.... Feel like I'm stuck in a do loop.
     
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    Worked again for one show then stopped again.

    What is the minimum speed for TiVo to work across MoCa? How do I measure current speeds? What is the frequency of TiVo across MoCa? How can I improve a weak TiVo signal across MoCa? Signal booster at the Mini, TiVo, or G3100?
     
  17. ThAbtO

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    Tried new coax cables?
     
  18. Sparky1234

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    Can't, not my house.

    If you are using a TiVo box with MoCA and you have an antenna connected to your home’s coax network, you MUST also install a 70 dB POE filter. Antenna is connected to Premiere, do I still need a filter between the antenna and Premiere?
     
  19. JoeKustra

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    I don't know if the diagnostics care what method is used for transfer, but you can check: Networking, Network Troubleshooting, File Transfer History. I have basic Roamio boxes, all using wireless bridges, and get about 93Mbps. That's about 10 minutes per hour of 7MB HD programming.

    A Premiere will probably drop to 65Mbps.
     
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    Transfer history shows none during and after transfer. Not sure what is going on there.

    If you are using a TiVo box with MoCA and you have an antenna connected to your home’s coax network, you MUST also install a 70 dB POE filter. Antenna is connected to Premiere, do I still need a filter between the antenna and Premiere?
     

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