Poor Guide Data, Slow Menu Response, Advertising: I'm Returning My HD Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jm1fd, Nov 5, 2007.

  1. jm1fd

    jm1fd New Member

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    Take some of those millions in subscription fees they're collecting every month and contract directly with the problem networks to get accurate data for their customers who are paying handsomely for guide data? Failing that, maybe hire spies inside the popular networks/shows where they have bad data? We're not talking about inventing cold fusion here. Accurate data can be had, why Tivo won't obtain it and pass it along to their paying customers is beyond me.
     
  2. ah30k

    ah30k Well-Known Member

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    This person does not like the experience which is perfectly fine. Every product is not for every person.

    Can we be done with this now?

    What is that acronym again PDFTT or PSFTT or something?
     
  3. Revolutionary

    Revolutionary Too sleepy for TV...

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    So long, so sad, boo hoo.
     
  4. Langree

    Langree The Gimp

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    You do realize that the guide data is localized and the bad data that shoes up tends to be limited to a few markets at any one time and TiVo really has no control over that.

    How long have you had the THD up and running?
     
  5. Ripcord2

    Ripcord2 New Member

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    You're obviously not someone who's ever worked the business aspects of the tech industry.

    So Tivo goes to Viacom and says "Hey, we'll give you $10m a year (a ridiculously disproportionate amount of money versus the benefit to our users) if you will provide somewhat more accurate guide data for shows". Viacom says "no thanks. You guys and solutions like you cost us more than that a year in ad revenue. Why would we help enable you? Plus, because of our IT infrastructure, the way we pass scheduling information to guide partners, it'd cost us a $20m IT upgrade to be able to provide this data. Maybe for $40m a year...."
     
  6. pl1

    pl1 Well-Known Member

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    You ever hear of a troll? :eek:
     
  7. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

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    Actually their sole focus is to make money. Similar to how Google's focus is to sell ads, not to make a search engine.

    As for the press thumbs up things -- it's already during an ad, why do you care?
    Just press CLEAR or turn on 30 second skip (select play select 3 0 select makes the -> button turn into a 30 second skip during normal play -- it still skips to tickmarks when in FF/rewind mode).
     
  8. EVizzle

    EVizzle ^^MacGvyer^^

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    I LOVE that there are icons labeling channels on my saved programs. Don't you care if you have a heroes recording from NBC and a rerun on Mojo that someone else still has on the box that you can identify it without much thought?

    My only complaint with Tivo is that they don't advertise well enough IMHO to get more people onto the service. I love my Tivo

    How do you like paying the cable company to watch advertisements on a rented set top box that in the long run far exceeds the cost of Tivo?

    Or driving a car with a logo on it and not getting paid for it? Or wearing clothing with logos on it?
     
  9. Martin Tupper

    Martin Tupper Pontiff Emeritus

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    The new Wishlist features in the 9.x software allow for a much more elegant solution than setting up a manual recording for the Daily Show, Colbert Report, Etc. Here's how:
    1. Set up a WishList.
    2. Enter the title as first Keyword; "Daily Show with Jon Stewart"
    3. Give it a Thumbs up
    4. Enter the generic program description as the second Keyword: "A humorous slant on top news stories"
    5. Give it a thumbs down.
    6. Set the WishList to Auto Record with "first run only".
    No more reruns. No more multiple recordings. TiVo can choose to record a later airing if the tuners are busy at 11:00pm.
     
  10. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    And disappointingly, Tivo doesn't do that part well enough to make them a decent nest egg :( I still love them however
     
  11. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    Very tricky! I love it!
     
  12. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    the fact that you do not seem to get that you pay for a magazine or newspaper and that they still have advertisements speaks volumes.

    You want to be annoyed by the .1% of things that are wrong, then you will be very upset in this imperfect world. As for me I am quite happy with my 99.9% great TiVo DVR
     
  13. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    Post of the Year. One of those so simple, why did it not occurr to me things.

    thanks Martin :up:
     
  14. TheOrkinMan

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    Count yourself lucky that the ComCrap DVR worked so well for you. In all 3 of your disappointments, I found teh ComCrap DVR much worse than the Tivo.
     
  15. sinanju

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    Um... folks... you're talking about the opinions of a person who resents advertising during a commercial.... and prefers a DVR that devotes far more space far more often in a far more difficult to avoid format to advertising.

    :confused:

    I'm with Kablemodem. Good riddance.
     
  16. jcvader99

    jcvader99 New Member

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    Originally Posted by Martin Tupper
    The new Wishlist features in the 9.x software allow for a much more elegant solution than setting up a manual recording for the Daily Show, Colbert Report, Etc. Here's how:

    Set up a WishList.
    Enter the title as first Keyword; "Daily Show with Jon Stewart"
    Give it a Thumbs up
    Enter the generic program description as the second Keyword: "A humorous slant on top news stories"
    Give it a thumbs down.
    Set the WishList to Auto Record with "first run only".

    No more reruns. No more multiple recordings. TiVo can choose to record a later airing if the tuners are busy at 11:00pm.

    Why do I seem to be missing the point on this?? Yes I'm a newb Tivo owner, but the instructions for keywords and thumbs up/down just aren't getting through to my brain... I understand the instructions, but don't know why they would work. Anyone care to elaborate on this and explain what this is actually doing?

    Thanks!
     
  17. Martin Tupper

    Martin Tupper Pontiff Emeritus

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    The guide data for the Daily show is usually good. But a few times a year, the show goes on break for a couple of weeks and Comedy Central airs reruns with generic information and no "original air date". Without an original air date, TiVo can't tell if a show is new or old so it "plays it safe" and schedules it to record. During these show breaks, this happens four or five times a day.

    By setting up the above WishList, you are instructing the TiVo to record new episodes of the Daily Show, but ignore episodes with generic program information.

    FYI, during the current writer's strike, it appears as through Comedy Central is broadcasting reruns. However, they are scheduling "new" episodes with new "original air dates" but no episode descriptions. The above WishList treats these like new episodes and records them once a day.

    ETA: In addition to using this method for the Daily Show & Colbert Report, I currently use it for an ongoing "Amazing Race" WishList and a (not completely successful) Conan O'Brien WishList
     
  18. CCourtney

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    Actually this is the one area that I would agree with him on. While it's much faster than my Sony DHG-HDD500 was, it's still significantly less responsive than my SA8300HD has ever been at least in Grid Mode (standard guide for most DVRs and the only thing I can really compare.)

    I'm on the latest SW release and Network and have just under 2weeks worth of guide.

    BTW, it's not the amount of time that it takes to display the guide data, but rather the amount of time when using the right arrow to move to the next time slot. It's instantaneous on my SA8300HD.

    Here's an example, it's 11am and you want to see what's on at 7pm. It would take a long time to get there on the TiVo HD by hitting the right arrow key (the 16 times it would take and waiting on the screen to refresh between every one of them) so you hit enter and change the time and hit select select to get the guide to where you want it as it's quicker to do that on the TiVo HD than all those right arrow + wait sequences.

    On the SA8300HD you simply push the right arrow, and it will change a couple times then you see the times updating (flashing by like your clock does when you're setting it) w/ the guide grayed out, stop where you want and you're there (2-3 seconds to go from 11am to 7pm)

    That said, the Live Grid option is very nice and quick if you're wanting to only see one channels worth of schedule at a time. Very nice for hunting through a couple weeks worth of HBOHD/SHOHD/CINEMAXHD to see if there's any movies you want to record.

    That said, I wish the guides would mark the shows that would be recorded instead of just the ones that are currently being recorded.

    CCourtney
     
  19. soopergeek

    soopergeek New Member

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    As a new Tivo customer, I have to agree that the remote on the TivoHD is slow as molasses. And my batteries are fully charged :)
     
  20. Martin Tupper

    Martin Tupper Pontiff Emeritus

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    As of this evening, the program guide is giving generic Daily Show information, and the above WishList is filtering those episodes out.
     

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