pondering my future with Tivo...

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Sequoia225, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. Wil

    Wil Unknown Member

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    I hate Tivos. I have far better resources on the home LAN but my luddite family refuse to change, to use what's good for them. Truth be known, late at night if I'm all alone even I, the only rational member of the household, fall back on using the Tivos. I wish all the Tivos would just disappear so we could move on.
     
  2. DeltaOne

    DeltaOne Mount Airy, MD

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    I just did some research, and in Nov 2019 a Comcast employee posted this on the Comcast support forum:

    To clarify - this does not impact our X1 customers at all. This only impacts our legacy video AnyRoom DVR customers. This feature will no longer be available for new subscriptions or to add to your existing non-X1 service after 12/20/19.

    I believe the older cancelled service was $5/month. The current X1 AnyRoom service is $9.95 per room. $10/month for this service seems expensive to me.

    Using a Roku 4K Stick would pay for itself after just five months. But you lose the ability to watch recordings in those other rooms. I wonder if one could stream recordings on an iPhone or iPad and then "send" the signal over WiFi to the Roku 4K Stick? I guess the main use of our TiVo Mini's in other rooms is to watch live TV, but we do occasionally want to watch recordings in other rooms.
     
  3. wizwor

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    I assume you are not having sex with any of those people. If you are, you won't be for long. Build a Wil-Cave and load it up with always-a-little-broken tech. Let those other members enjoy their TiVos.

    Technology, done right, is indistinguishable from magic. If you were doing things right, the rest of the household would climb on the Wil-Train.

    In my house, when someone asks Alexa to 'show guide', they have no idea there is a Recast in another room streaming television from multiple antennas, amplifiers, and splitters. They are barely aware Alexa is on a network. When they slump into a recliner or pull the covers up, they navigate all of the magic with a familiar peanut shaped remote control.
     
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  4. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    OK, thanks. So if you have an X1 you can still get AnyRoom. But as long as we're talking about this... Do you know if it's like a TiVo + TiVo Mini service, with one or more X1 DVRs serving networked "TV Boxes" in other rooms? Do those "TV Boxes" connect via Ethernet, Wi-Fi, MoCA, or something proprietary? Their support pages are no help at all.

    Roku or any other streaming solution would of course be cheaper, but so would a free Xfinity Flex box, which comes free with Xfinity Internet. Of course, I'm assuming the Flex supports the Xfinity Stream app (big assumption I know, because it would make sense but...).
     
  5. DeltaOne

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    I don't know for sure, but my guess is MoCA. But maybe WiFi too? I'd say a definite no to ethernet, they wouldn't expect the average consumer to have ethernet jacks at all their TV locations.
     
  6. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    I found an Xfinity FAQ that says the companion box is "on the home network": PDF

    Amazing how much detail the keep secret, about this and about their Flex thing. I suspect this is probably because they don't expect their Level 1 phone reps to be able to explain the setup.

    I'll try to gather more info from someone who uses Xfinity equipment.
     
  7. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Multi-room setups very quickly pay for themselves vs. renting, and streaming sticks are cheap. Just another consideration to use Tivo w/Minis instead of spending $40/mo. or so on cable boxes.
     
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  8. mdavej

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    FWIW, the Xfinity Roku app isn't that great. You get an ok guide for live TV. I don't recall any DVR functionality. The picture quality wasn't great either. Personally, I'd only put it in a guest room or something like that.

    I've had a lot of Rokus and have never come across one that broadcasts it's own wifi. Are you sure you aren't thinking of Chromecast or Fire stick?
     
  9. NashGuy

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    If you have an X1 box with a physical DVR hard drive, what it does is mirror the contents of its internal DVR to your cloud DVR. So those recordings can then be streamed to and played on other devices via the Xfinity Stream app (Roku, certain Samsung and LG smart TVs, and Apple and Android mobile devices).

    The app also allows for new recordings to be set up, although I'm not sure if a cloud DVR recording set up in the app would get mirrored down to your X1 DVR's internal hard drive or if it would remain only in the cloud. Even in the latter case, it would still be accessible on the X1 DVR because those boxes do have the capability of connecting to Xfinity's cloud servers.

    Many new Xfinity cable TV customers do not receive boxes with tuners or hard drives in them at all now. They're only given small X1 IPTV/streaming boxes (model Xi5 is HD and model Xi6 is 4K HDR). So those customers are exclusively served live streaming TV (i.e. IPTV) and cloud DVR.
     
  10. DeltaOne

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    Yeah. I forget which model Roku I had, but here's some info. It uses something called WiFi Direct. I didn't question the Roku's WiFi security, I just didn't want another WiFi device that might interfere with my WiFi. I couldn't even change the frequency/channel the WiFi Direct used. Nor could I turn it off.

    https://www.howtogeek.com/178691/htg-explains-what-is-wi-fi-direct-and-how-does-it-work/

    If you still own a Roku use an app or utility to look for a SSID named "DIRECT-roku-###".
     
  11. DeltaOne

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    I've seen a menu option on my X1 to "sync recordings with the cloud". I guess it's something that usually happens automatically and this is just a way to force the sync.

    I'm not a new Xfinity customer, but I am a new X1 user. Kinda glad I got the X1 with its own internal hard drive.
     
  12. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I think you're right.

    Did you specifically request an X1 physical DVR or that's just what they happened to give you?

    I'm really not sure what Comcast's policy is (and it may differ from one region to another); they may only do all-IPTV/cloud for new broadband+TV customers who also take an xFi gateway.
     
  13. Pokemon_Dad

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    Re the Xfinity version of a TiVo Mini...

    I passed that info on to someone who just moved into a new home, and from that he figured out what to ask Xfinity for, which in his case is a "WiFi Box" that will connect to his non-DVR X1 via his Xfinity modem/router. He's pleased as punch with live TV and minimal setup. I don't think they even use the cloud DVR.

    Wow. After 12 years here on TCF, it's always a shock when I realize someone has absolutely no need for a DVR in their life, lol. And yes, I tried to suggest a Roku too, but got no response at all.
     
  14. DeltaOne

    DeltaOne Mount Airy, MD

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    I asked if X1 had an internal hard drive and was told yes. She didn't offer one without a hard drive or try to talk me in to one.
     
  15. WVZR1

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    July of 2019 Xfinity/Frederick MD first offer was their older X1 box, I had to mention the XG1V-4 specifically but they provided it with 'no issues'. I'd think there are no offers of the older product currently. Therre are still people in my neighborhood that use the older box. My neighbor with a 70"+ Samsung was a hard sell to exchange his for the newer! His exchange experience was interesting. He works in NOVA, took his old to exchange to NOVA service center and they told him it needed to be done in a WV service center. WV service center is 30 miles west of our location, he was pretty upset.
     
  16. chiguy50

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    The current X1 4K DVR model is the XG1v4. It has six tuners, a 500GB HDD, and supports HDR10 video and Dolby Atmos audio (according to the specs).

    The X1 client boxes are the Xi5 (HD) and Xi6 (UHD/HDR), as NashGuy has stated. They can network via WiFi or ethernet, but not MoCA (neither box has a coaxial connection). There are older X1 STB's in the inventory with different characteristics but IDK whether Comcast is still fielding them; it might depend on your service region.

    As far as the Roku app (Xfinity Stream) is concerned, it is currently free of charge for Comcast CATV customers, but it is likely that they will start charging a fee for the "additional digital outlet" (probably the same $5.00 they typically charge for a rental digital device) at some point in the future. AIUI, unlike the TiVo Mini, it does not need to borrow a tuner from the host in order to access live TV; otherwise the setup is rather similar, other than the very different UI.

    Xfinity Xi6 STB.jpg
     
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  17. DeltaOne

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    That's the store I use too, in Frederick.
     
  18. DeltaOne

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    I'm surprised the Xi6 does not work via MoCA. I wonder if the Xi6 has built-in WiFi or they plug a dongle in to the ethernet port?

    I have ethernet at each of my TVs for the TiVo Mini, so adding an Xi6 would be easy.

    I don't understand why the Xi6 has an HDMI input port.
     
  19. chiguy50

    chiguy50 Well-Known Member

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    Both Xi5 and Xi6 have built-in WiFi; no need for a dongle.

    The HDMI Input is reserved for future use.
     
  20. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    Thanks chiguy! The Xfinity FAQs only raise more Qs, lol.
     
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