pondering my future with Tivo...

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Sequoia225, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. wizwor

    wizwor Active Member

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    I'd like to hear more about this.
    While it's true that a la carte television has arrived, it's still more cool than useful. It's not like all those apps/channels are united in a single EPG or tile set, right?

    Anyway, I always recommend investigating OTA first. It's free, requires no high speed internet, has no limit on streams, and has pretty good quality HD. Did I mention it's free? If you invest in a Recast, some FireTV sticks, and Prime, you can integrate Philo and Prime Channels right into the OTA EPG. Worth a look, IMHO, even if you think OTA is not for you.

    https://www.amazon.com/Fire-TV-Recast-over-the-air-DVR-1TB-150-hours/dp/B074J1GPB8
    https://www.amazon.com/Fire-TV-Stick-4K-with-Alexa-Voice-Remote/dp/B079QHML21
    Philo Help Center
    Amazon Prime Video Channels: Everything you need to know

    There is also something called Prime TV if you go that way...

    Prime Video: Channel Guide

    There are a LOT of free/ad supported services out there. All are worth a look...

    PlexTV: Free Streaming Online
    Pluto: Pluto TV
    Roku Channel: Roku
    Vudu: Vudu - Watch Movies

    You can stream 'cable replacement' services, but they are kind of pricey, you have to have solid high speed internet, and you are on your own when things go wrong...

    YouTube TV: YouTube TV - Watch & DVR Live Sports, Shows & News $64.99/month
    fuboTV: https://www.fubo.tv/welcome $64.99/$84.99/month
    Hulu + Live TV: Hulu with Live TV – More than just Live TV $54.99/month
    Sling TV: Live TV Streaming | Sling TV $30/month
    Philo: Philo - Your favorite shows have a new home $20/month
    AT&T TV Now: AT&T TV NOW - Stream Live TV & On Demand, HBO Included from $55/month

    Well, yeah. Mostly, though, because the cable companies have pretty slick set top boxes, whole house DVRs, and on-demand plus apps.
     
  2. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    @dbpaddler that's a move from LA to the Bay Area. And the North Bay, too, so further than Philly to Pittsburgh.

    @Sequoia225 I hope I'm wrong but I think you're going to have trouble pulling in the CBS station — maybe you'll have luck with a strongly directional antenna at least 25' up — and you'll get clear signals from ABC, NBC, PBS, and KRON and all their subchannels but not much else.

    In contrast, I get over 100 subchannels here in the South Bay, further away from the big towers but with a clearer shot, and with a basic antenna at 25 feet. But maybe you'll get lucky, so input your new address into one of those antenna sites and then we'll know.
     
  3. slowbiscuit

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    The nice thing about folks ditching cable for streaming is that there are a lot of cheap Roamios w/lifetime service for sale, so you don't have to buy new (and I wouldn't given how overpriced and underwhelming the Edge has been, not to mention you won't be stuck with TE4). The investment can pay for itself vs. renting in two years or less.

    But yeah for apps you don't want to use Tivo's junk, have to factor in getting streaming sticks or using TV built-in apps for that.
     
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  4. NashGuy

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    Yeah, there are use-cases where buying a used TiVo with lifetime service makes sense. But I think they're becoming fewer and fewer.

    In the case of the OP, it sounds like at his new location that getting reliable OTA TV on all the major networks may be a real hassle or even impossible. If that's the case, does it make sense to sink hundreds into an OTA DVR system? Most would find it better to spend the money on streaming subscriptions to Hulu and/or CBS AA for broadcast network content (plus a lot more).

    And if he goes with a cable TV subscription, well, obviously a TiVo is incompatible with YouTube TV or Hulu Live. A TiVo can still be used with Comcast cable TV but is it worth the up-front investment? Comcast X1 and TiVo have their own advantages and disadvantages; even setting cost aside, many would prefer X1 for its built-in on-demand platform and access to better apps. And, as you say, because of the up-front cost of a used TiVo with lifetime service, it's going to be 1-2 years before you begin seeing any savings.

    For folks who already use and love TiVo, sticking with the platform and spending more money on TiVo hardware might be the most attractive option. But not for much anyone else at this point.
     
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  5. wmcbrine

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    AFAICT, apart from C-SPAN (!), all the news channels are available on streaming services. So it's really just sports, I think.
     
  6. NashGuy

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    I'm not aware of any legal way to live-stream CNN, Fox News or MSNBC without paying for a cable TV package. They all have individual apps but you need a cable TV log-in to watch.
     
  7. Pokemon_Dad

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    Yeah, guys, I'm aware of those services. They're all cable TV packages. As I said, there's no way to subscribe to any of those cable channels as standalone services the way you can subscribe to HBO, Showtime, Hulu, Netflix, etc. The only way to get them is as part of a cable channel bundle.
     
  10. Pokemon_Dad

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    True. Technically those are OTT services not cable, but the licensed bundles and results are the same. Every time I look at them I start to get excited about the possibilities, until I remember that if I remove cable from my package then my internet gets more expensive, so I won't really save much if anything at all. And for my trouble I'd lose surround sound and sometimes have a slightly worse picture, though that doesn't really matter to us for the news and talk channels that keep us attached to the cord.

    Everything else we want is available via OTA or Netflix etc. streaming, so it really sticks in my craw that we keep cable for just a few news and talk channels.
     
  11. NashGuy

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    Yeah. As I say, for most folks, whether or not to stick with the ol' cable channel bundle (whether you get it via coax, satellite, managed IPTV, or OTT) comes down to two things: 1. sports and 2. cable news/talk channels. If you not a big fan of either, you'll probably be just as happy, if not happier, by going with some combination of on-demand streaming services (Hulu, Netflix, HBO Max, Prime Video, etc.) and OTA TV. And you'll save a lot of money too. But if you need the sports and/or news channels, welp, gotta stick with some form of cable TV.
     
  12. dmk1974

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    I've been using TiVo setups for almost 2 decades like many of you. It just works great and my wife especially is familiar and happy with it (which is probably the #1 reason we haven't changed). I tested the TE4 interface a year ago on a spare Roamio and after 2 days I thought I was gonna get divorce papers :) But I do worry that the end is near for TiVo and how we use cable TV (Comcast).

    I already have a 5-year-old Roamio Plus as the host and 6 Minis. All works great and the cost is spent. Renting a setup from Comcast would be $40/mo ($10 for the DVR, and $5 for the 6 extra TVs). Or on some of those TVs, just use Roku 4K sticks that we already have and not pay the extra $5 fee on each. But is that really worth it? Major change of course in interface and use. I could probably sell all my TiVo hardware for $700-$800, but then after 20 months, I'm back to net paying $40/mo (assuming they don't hike the rental fees which they are known to do). Or keep with TiVo and then they fold and then I can't sell the hardware for nearly anything.

    I think at this point, I'm #1) not going to invest more into my TiVo setup (at least not to replace the Roamio box with an Edge...maybe 2 of my older RF Minis I'll swap) and #2) compare notes with some friends that have the X1 cable box setups and see whats better/worse. With so much streaming nowadays on the Roku and Apple TV, most recorded and live TV are just for sports and the news (and some recorded shows because we can of course). I mean, if House Hunters and all their versions went off the air, I could probably get by with 1/3 of my current TiVo hard drive size :)
     
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  13. DeltaOne

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    I've owned a TiVo Roamio for seven years, I've been running an X1 alongside it for the past month. Seven years ago the X1 was getting so many bad reviews that it pushed me to TiVo.

    Having used the X1 for a month, it and the TiVo are more alike than different. I can now say that if my TiVo quit tomorrow I'd be just fine going forward with the X1. On the TiVo I love the ability to jump between tuners and I knew the X1 wouldn't do that. But it kinda does...the X1 remembers the last nine channels you've used and it's easy and quick to switch to one of those nine channels. No look-back buffer...but switching is quick and easy.

    My quick X1 takeaways: the voice remote is fantastic, I like the TiVo remote a bit better (other than it not having voice control) and transferring my season passes was easy on my desktop computer with TiVo Online in one window and Xfinity Stream in a second window. There's a thread about my switchover somewhere on this site.

    I'm running three TiVo Minis. It sounds like you're saying rather than get the Xfinity any-room set top box I could use a Roku 4K stick? I guess it runs the Xfinity Stream app?
     
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  14. dmk1974

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    Thanks for the side-by-side. Sounds like the X1 boxes and interface is much better than I remember with the old Motorola boxes 10-15 years ago.

    We have 5 TVs in the house with Roku (3 built into the TV, 2 on 4K sticks). I've played with the Xfinity Stream app here and there and on an 8th TV for a temporary setup outside or along with RedZone during football season. Not terrible, but not a slick app. Has a buffer of about 30-32 seconds compared to a live feed on the TiVo. But if I made a switch, it's a way to save a few bucks on some of the TVs to use the Roku app (like my teens' bedrooms...they don't pay the bill ;)
     
  15. DeltaOne

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    Will the Roku 4K stick play recordings from the X1? I did some research and see that it will play live TV and it mentions playing recordings from the cloud but my X1 records on its internal hard drive.
     
  16. dmk1974

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    Good point. Maybe it's just the cloud DVR. I don't have an X1 to test, but you are probably right.
    Navigating the Xfinity Stream Beta App on Roku – Xfinity
     
  17. dbpaddler

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    I believe it's just via their cloud dvr. Never saw anything on my sister's app to play her local dvr recordings. But I only played with it for about 15 minutes.

    It's funny how tivo dominated dvr's for so long, and their mini's were the bomb for whole house viewing. And the one thing we longed for is more reality for cable than it ever will be for us.

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  18. DeltaOne

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    Thanks!

    When TiVo took away Xfinity on demand we purchased a Roku. My wife didn't care for the Xfinity app too much and when I found out the Roku was broadcasting its own WiFi signal I returned it. I've taken much care to fine-tune our WiFi and I didn't appreciate the Roku potentially muddying up the airwaves.

    I hope the Roku 4K stick doesn't broadcast its own WiFi. I've already got a Vizio TV in the kitchen that broadcasts its own WiFi...which isn't used for anything. Vizio says the WiFi is for the remote, but the remote worked fine before the WiFi was enabled by a firmware update and we never use the Vizio remote...we use the TiVo Mini remote.
     
  19. DeltaOne

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    Thanks. That jives with what I've found online.
     
  20. Pokemon_Dad

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    I think they've discontinued that late last year. If you already have it you can keep it for now, but they're not accepting new orders.
     

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