Poll: Are You Happy With Your Series 3

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by PT30, Apr 11, 2008.

POLL: ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR SERIES 3?

  1. I AM HAPPY WITH MY SERIES 3

    91.2%
  2. I AM NOT HAPPY WITH MY SERIES 3

    8.8%
  1. Apr 12, 2008 #61 of 151
    aaronwt

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    I only have one drive with each machine. My signature was near it's limit so 2x just means two identical systems. I don't plan on having more than one drive with each machine. I have several Terabytes for a TiVo server plus three times that for a media server now., So any shows I want to keep I have plenty of storage for them. SInce TiVo Desktop allows easy transfers for permanent storage.
     
  2. Apr 12, 2008 #62 of 151
    PT30

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    It is all about the numbers. Mathematical equations show that given two answers for your possible vote, a sample size of 1,000 people has an accuracy rating of + or - 3 percent.
     
  3. Apr 12, 2008 #63 of 151
    RoyK

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    Shrug. This poll in this forum is just like going to a baseball game and asking the people in the bleachers if they like baseball. You'll find the occasional spouse who doesn't like it but came with the wife/hubby. The rest are there because they like baseball.
     
  4. Apr 12, 2008 #64 of 151
    enthalpy

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    Good idea for this poll, I keep seeing complaints too.

    I like my S3. It replaced a motorola HD box from the cable company. Such an improvement, how can I not like it?
     
  5. Apr 12, 2008 #65 of 151
    PT30

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    What we need to get a stictically valid sample is people who own Tivo's. Hello TCF. Just because they joined TCF does not mean that it is not a random sample. Everybody has their own reason for joining, some to solve problems, some just for curiosity. It is still a random sample.

    I am not trying to be obstinate, I call it having a conversation, just like the ones you have with your friends, the only difference is we do not know each other.

    Can't several people be wrong? Gallop polls require 1,000 responses to achieve 97 percent accuracy. So what does several people guarantee? Answer, probably not much accuracy. Saying that several people against one makes the one wrong makes no sense from a statistical standpoint. Surely you should know that with your statistical background.
     
  6. Apr 12, 2008 #66 of 151
    PT30

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    I think so too. There are several people here who seem awfully eager to discredit the poll. One of them asked me why I was defending Tivo. The real question is why are they so eager to discredit this poll?

    After four+ years of reading this forum, I think I can safely say that nearly everyone hates the Motorola box.
     
  7. Apr 12, 2008 #67 of 151
    MickeS

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    Member "s3victim" voted no. That's a shocker!
     
  8. Apr 12, 2008 #68 of 151
    PT30

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    He voted no but what he is really pissed off at is his cable company for switching to SDV, limiting the HD channels he can receive with Tivo. Can't really count his vote, not a Tivo problem.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=388419
     
  9. Apr 12, 2008 #69 of 151
    wmcbrine

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    All I see is people discrediting your very silly statement that the poll will be "97% accurate" as long as you get 1000 responses.
     
  10. Apr 13, 2008 #70 of 151
    rodalpho

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    The poll should be discredited because it's self-selecting, because the initial post's wording is biased towards inducing people happy with their S3s to post, and because you do things like "discarding" votes because it's not really tivo's fault. But most importantly these forums aren't representative because the vast majority of tivo owners don't post here. If TiVo created a poll on the home screen saying "are you happy, yes/no" that could be considered representative.

    The poll can be considered an accurate measure of TCF forum members' satisfaction, that's it.
     
  11. Apr 13, 2008 #71 of 151
    astrohip

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    I'm gonna create a poll asking if PT30 and Visionary are related. Then I'll spread the word in some high-traffic areas (Happy Hour) and encourage the good natured residents there to vote yes. But no one who sees this poll here will know that.

    When 985/1000 vote YES--allowing for a 3% deviation--can we assume that it's a legit poll, and they are related? It's unanimous, isn't it? Statistically speaking, that is.

    PT30--the problem with pretending to be an expert in *anything* on TCF is that there are probably 25+ people who really are experts in whatever BS you're selling that day. Berfy says he's in statistics, and I was a math major who was required to take more stats than I care to remember.

    I vote you're visionary's 2nd cousin, once removed, twice committed.
     
  12. Apr 13, 2008 #72 of 151
    ScottEllsworth

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    Is TiVo itself a reputable dealer?

    The first one came straight from TiVo. It lasted ~ a year.

    The second one came from TiVo when the first one died. It lasted ~2 months.

    The third one came from TiVo when the second one died. It lasted ~9 hours.

    Number four will be winging its way towards me once I mail the failed one back on Monday. Let's hope this series does not continue in the way it is going.

    (Oh, and before you point out that TiVo sends out refurbs as warranty replacements, that is a business decision on their part. They decide how much they care about customer complaints, and angry customers with multiple failures vs how much they want to spend on either new product, or on bench testing refurbs before sending them out.)

    Scott
     
  13. Apr 13, 2008 #73 of 151
    RoyK

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    If you were trying to poll those who currently own and use the product, yes that would be much closer to representative.

    If you were trying to get a true "happiness" level poll then it wouldn't because many of those who haven't been satisfied would likely have gotten rid of their units or no longer use them and wouldn't be included.

    Even getting a list of people who have activated S3 units and calling them at random wouldn't be accurate since there are those who have problems or decide they don't like the product during the initial 30 day trial and never activate.

    The best way to get an accurate poll is to randomly call the population at large, ask if they now own or have ever owned an S3 and what their satisfaction level is/was. That would be an expensive proposition given the large number of calls that would need to be made to find even 1000 who are willing to be questioned and who qualify.
     
  14. Apr 13, 2008 #74 of 151
    VivaLasVegas

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    You can read the thread for yourself. Comcast's HD DVR w/Tivo is only available in New England right now. If you look at who voted and how - and if you believe their profiles as to where they live - there's no way that they have one.

    Despite the lengthy discussion on accuracy, I still find both polls' results interesting. Maybe that's b/c we don't represent the average user. When you read these forums you see a lot of griping. It's a good reminder when I see that the same group that complains so much is still so happy overall with their Tivo's. All the fuss seems to be b/c we're so passionate about them!
     
  15. Apr 13, 2008 #75 of 151
    PT30

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    Gallup polls use a sample size of 1,000. The Gallop acuracy for predicting elections results fall with + or - 3 percent, even though some people might change their vote right before the election.

    You offer no reason why it is "silly". Isn't that silly?
     
  16. Apr 13, 2008 #76 of 151
    PT30

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    That is just the way you interpret it. The post said,

    In other words, lets try to get lots of responses to improve accuracy.

    For the one poster i said that about, he had only three posts, it was clear his main complaint was that his cable company is switching to SDV and preventing him from receiving HD signals. That happened after Tivo made the Series 3 therefore Tivo should not be blamed.

    That is just plain 100 percent wrong. The Gallup poll has great accuracy at predicting election results with a sample size of 1,000 which is far short from the tens of millions who actually vote in the election. The "vast majority" do not need to be polled.
     
  17. Apr 13, 2008 #77 of 151
    PT30

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    Your reasoning has a fatal flaw. The respondents to your poll would be making guesses as to whether Visionary and I are the same person. When you ask a person if they are happy or unhappy with their Tivo, there is no guessing involved on their part.
     
  18. Apr 13, 2008 #78 of 151
    PT30

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    What kind of problems and on which machine?
     
  19. Apr 13, 2008 #79 of 151
    rodalpho

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    You misunderstood; you don't need to poll a majority of users, but you do need to talk to a representative sample, and these forums are not representative.

    Anyway, I'm being pulled into a flamewar over something that I truly don't care about, so at this point I'll bow out of this thread.
     
  20. Apr 13, 2008 #80 of 151
    GoHokies!

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    That's because Gallup uses proven statistical methods and takes great care to ensure that their 1,000 respondents are a random sample of the population.

    Your little "poll" does no such thing, and therefore has no calculateable margin of error.
     

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