POE filter for MoCA drops my speed down to a crawl

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by Lothar_HP, Jan 4, 2017.

  1. mdavej

    mdavej Well-Known Member

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    I have Fire TV (with Vue) in every room, all on wifi. Minis all on Moca. No need for any additional hardware since bitrate requirement for Fire is very low. If you can't get wifi in every room, get a repeater for $30. No need to spend a ton on additional Moca hardware. It's massive overkill.
     
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  2. Lothar_HP

    Lothar_HP New Member

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    Thanks for the great suggestion to use a repeater, mdavej.

    I actually already have Amazon Fire TV Sticks (not the full Fire TV) in the bedrooms, but I've been dissatisfied with their performance. They're too slow, and the picture sometimes cuts out if all I do is turn my TV screen in a different direction. I'm not sure if its a WiFi speed issue, or just the slow processor in those Sticks compared with the full Fire TV, but that's what prompted me to consider getting rid of the Sticks, and try Fire TV with Ethernet instead.

    If a repeater is all that's needed for better performance with my Fire TV Sticks, then I might try that instead.

    At the very least, it looks like I'll need to buy HDMI switches for my bedroom TVs, since those TVs only have one HDMI input, which is currently being used by the TiVo Mini.
     
  3. mdavej

    mdavej Well-Known Member

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    Alternatively, if those older TVs have component inputs, just get breakout cables for your Minis and move them to component. I think I paid around $8 a pair on ebay. That'll be cheaper and simpler than a bunch of HDMI switches and still give you 1080i. Problem with HDMI switches and devices that are always on, like Mini and Fire, is that the auto-switching to the last powered device is useless. So you have to use another remote or universal to switch inputs manually. If you use component instead, you can just use the input button on your Tivo remote.
     
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  4. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Not much I can add to what mdavej has covered. Wireless vs wired, AV breakout cables, etc. Though rather than focusing on a wireless "repeater," which has a specific meaning, I'd suggest looking at connecting a wireless extender (access point) via a wired MoCA connection, if you find you have some wireless deadzones that could use filling.

    I'd just hyperjump you through my posts to a very cheap (albeit bulky) solution that might be worth considering, a Verizon MI424-WR Rev.I router down-purposed to just a MoCA adapter with built-in Gigabit switch (optionally with 2.4 GHz Wireless-N access point enabled). You can find them on eBay for under $30 each -- just be sure to get the Verizon Rev.I model.

    See: MoCA adapter shopping list

    Lots o' choices... and all of them yours...!! :D
     
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  5. fcfc2

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    Last thoughts, for home theatre type locations, I would not dismiss the fast Ethernet solutions, as I know of no applications/streaming requirement that would exceed the fast Ethernet specs, and remember you are unlikely to be using more than one port at a time.
    Another option would be a combo MoCA wireless device since your wireless in that area seems a bit weak, the WCB3000N, dual band MoCA 1.1, about $60 on Ebay, or the Actiontec WCB6200Q02, dual band AC bonded MoCA 2.0 for about $143 on Amazon. Each also have 2 gigabit ports.
    For the thrifty with some tech skills, the Actiontec W1424WR Rev I, can be configured to be a MoCA 1.1 adapter with 4 gigabit ports, and single band (2.4GHz) N speed device. The Rev F (MoCA 1.1) is likely a bit cheaper but it has only fast Ethernet ports and draft N (2.4GHz) wireless. Avoid any older Rev's A-E as these are MoCA 1.0, G speed, 2.4GHz only.
     
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  6. Lothar_HP

    Lothar_HP New Member

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    Thanks for the wireless equipment recommendations, krkaufman and fcfc2. I'll definitely be looking into those!
     
  7. Lothar_HP

    Lothar_HP New Member

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    Another excellent suggestion, mdavej, thanks so much!
     
  8. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Just to clarify, I was putting the (bulky) MI424-WR Rev.I forward as a cheap "MoCA 1.1 adapter w/ built-in network switch" option. One each at Bedrooms #2 & #3 would take care of your Fire TV & Mini wired connectivity. Both rooms wired for under $60 total (based on recent auction prices). Boom. Done.

    The wireless capabilities of the MI424-WR Rev.I would just be a bonus, and only *IF* the wireless specs met your needs.
     
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  9. Lothar_HP

    Lothar_HP New Member

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    Thanks for the clarification, krkaufman.

    I'm actually the kind of guy who prefers to err on the side of overkill (for futureproofing, and to avoid the feeling of "I wonder if I should have just bought that better unit?") rather than going too cheap with old tech (I've been buying cat 6 Ethernet cables for years, even though I know I get little-to-no benefit from the higher spec), so I'll probably go with whichever equipment has the better-looking specs to me... but within reason.

    I appreciate your advice!
     
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  10. Peter G

    Peter G Member

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    Lothar,

    May not be worth doing now, but your setup could have been cleaner by using a MoCA bypass amp such as PCT-VC-14A in place of the 2 splitters and POE filter in your junction box. The bypass amp includes POE filter and has 5 outputs (One for the modem, 4 for other ports) and is MoCA compatible.

    Power can be provided either in the junction box or through one of the output cables (e.g. dining room or BR #1), whichever is easier. Losses through the splitters are compensated for by the amplifier.

    Regards,

    Peter G
     
  11. Lothar_HP

    Lothar_HP New Member

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    That's an interesting device, Peter, I've never seen one of those. Since reconfiguring the hierarchy of my splitters is now getting me full 300 Mbps download speeds though in every room, I'm not sure there would be any benefit in my case to installing such a device.

    Thanks for the suggestion nonetheless!
     
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