Plex on the TiVo is the Stupidest thing Tivo ever did

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  1. Jan 8, 2018 #141 of 165
    JYoung

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    Plex is a separate company not connected with TiVo or Rovi.

    While there are a couple (or a few) other programs that can decrypt .tivo files, IIRC, all of them exclusively deal with TiVo files.

    Plex is a general purpose, multi platform media library system and the TiVo client is just one of several that they publish.

    I'm sure that Plex has an idea of how many people have actually used the Plex for TiVo client and considering it would be subset of TiVo users, I'm going to guess it's a smaller number than say the Roku client, the Apple TV client, the Fire TV client, the Playstation client, the Xbox client, the Android client, and the iOS client.
    It's probably not worth their effort to write a decrypt plug in for TiVo files (or at least not enough reward for spend the resources to do so).

    Incidentally, who's pushing this line that Plex is the official replacement for TiVo Desktop (and transferring files off of TiVos)?

    I don't recall seeing anything from TiVo on it.
     
  2. Jan 8, 2018 #142 of 165
    lpwcomp

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    I don't believe anyone is "pushing this line" but the facts are these:

    The capability to transfer PC to TiVo doesn't exist in Hydra and there has been no commitment from TiVo that it will be restored. You can't transfer at all to a Hydrated TiVo except through the website.

    They never said anything about the push capability, it simply stopped working.

    They stated a long time ago that they no longer support PC<->TiVo transfers.
     
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  3. Jan 8, 2018 #143 of 165
    JYoung

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    I'm just asking for clarification because, due to a certain lack of... shall we say.. coherence in this thread, it sounded like some felt that Plex was now the official way to do this (or should be).
    I would certainly disagree with that belief.
     
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  4. Jan 8, 2018 #144 of 165
    lpwcomp

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    I don't know what you mean by "the official way" way, but it is certainly the only supported way to do it with Hydra. The only way to transfer a recording to a wet TiVo is to first transfer it to an S4 or dry S5 or S6, then use the website to transfer it from there to the actual destination.
     
  5. Jan 8, 2018 #145 of 165
    atmuscarella

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    Who knows what TiVo's intentions were, however we know what their actions were and it is pretty simple.
    1. TiVo drops official support for TiVo Desktop.
    2. TiVo adds support for Plex.
    3. TiVo prevents transfers from PC to TiVo via any means in Hydra.
    The result of the above is the only way to play files from a PC on your TiVo running Hydra that you used to be able to move onto the TiVo to play via TiVo Desktop and other programs is to use Plex.

    Perhaps it wasn't TiVo intention but the end result is that Plex is the only work around to replacing some of the functionality lost in Hydra, that used to be provided by TiVo Desktop and other programs.
     
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  6. Jan 8, 2018 #146 of 165
    JYoung

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    For Item #2, I'd say that Plex wrote a client for TiVo. I don't know if TiVo solicited Plex to do so or not.
    (Certainly TiVo approved the app.)

    And while I understand that under Hydra this seems to be the only way to get that functionality back, Plex would not be my first recommendation for that.
    (At least, not for someone who's not technically inclined.)
     
  7. Jan 9, 2018 #147 of 165
    atmuscarella

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    I agree that Plex is a poor solution to replacing TiVo Desktop and the other third party programs. My guess is that is the whole point of this thread. Every time someone brings up the issue of Hydra dropping support for PC to TiVo transfers, Plex always comes up, which it should as it is the only partial work around available. However some people seem to want to dismiss the loss of functionality as irrelevant and just say use Plex, which again is my guess on part of the reason we have this thread.

    I have nothing against Plex, however TiVo dropping support for TiVo Desktop and blocking PC to TiVo transfers in Hydra is a BIG DEAL. We should not be happy and should let TiVo know (which I think we have).
     
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  8. Jan 9, 2018 #148 of 165
    aaronwt

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    DIdn't TiVo drop TiVo Desktop a long time ago?
     
  9. Jan 9, 2018 #149 of 165
    atmuscarella

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    Best I can remember is it was around the release of the Bolt, but I could be wrong. While I am not happy about that, the bigger issue is making PC to TiVo transfers not allowable in Hydra, which of course makes us worry that the next step is to stop TiVo to PC transfers.
     
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  10. Jan 9, 2018 #150 of 165
    foghorn2

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    Tivo desktop still had full functionality till hydra. Same for netgear nas.
     
  11. Jan 9, 2018 #151 of 165
    slowbiscuit

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    Well the easy answer there is to not use Hydra if you want transfers. Done.
     
  12. Jan 9, 2018 #152 of 165
    foghorn2

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    Not really, the benefits of Hydra outweighs the loss of getting files back to the Tivo without TiVo Online or from a non tivo remote share.

    But it would be nice that functionality came back, Plex wont do it amongst all the other things it wont do since its garbage and useless on the TiVo for me.

    I could pull out yet another lifetime unit from the closet and leave TiVo classic on it and use it a mediator :D between the other units with hydra I suppose.
     
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  13. Jan 9, 2018 #153 of 165
    aaronwt

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    I've been using Plex more and more the last couple of weeks. I set Plex up as a service recently on my TiVo PC. Where I also use kmttg as a service. I gave Plex access to around 10K songs recently as a test. And it's working well in my car with them. And I've been able to stream archived TiVo recordings with Plex while at work. Automating the Decryption process as well as automating the file naming for Plex made things so much easier. I only wish I would have been using Plex when I only watched HD content.
     
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  14. Jan 9, 2018 #154 of 165
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    My question is - are they preventing transfers from PC to Tivo or simply haven't implemented that part yet? Big difference. Hopefully the latter. That is the #1 reason why I am not upgrading.... I love Plex, but would much rather transfer a show/movie via pyTivo than watch on Plex. The main reason is its so much easier to rewind a few seconds with a show on the Tivo rather than when you are streaming it.

    I would love to see a feature on Plex that says "transfer to Tivo" for each video. I guess that goes along with the issue of whether its being prevented or not implemented yet.
     
  15. Jan 9, 2018 #155 of 165
    atmuscarella

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    Who knows, if preventing PC to TiVo transfers in Hydra was intentional or accidental, or if they intend on providing that functionality in the future. We do know that:
    1. dropping official support for TiVo Desktop was intentional
    2. adding streaming from your TiVo to a browser via TiVo Online was intentional
    3. adding the Plex app was intentional
    4. adding TiVo to TiVo transfers via TiVo Online was intentional
    I can say that TiVo was concerned with making sure that TiVo to PC and PC to TiVo transfers via TiVo Desktop worked when the Bolt was being beta tested and did fix some issues before release. I have to believe they new that PC to TiVo transfers (or TiVo to TiVo transfers without using TiVo Online) did not work with Hydra, so either there wasn't time to fix it or they decided not to fix it.

    My guess is this does not get fixed in Hydra.
     
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    That's my guess as well as I don't believe they view it as "broken" as it is a no longer supported feature and there is no real way to implement it within their glitzy new GUI.
     
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  17. Jan 9, 2018 #157 of 165
    JYoung

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    Thank you.
    I haven't really been reading the threads concerning transfers under Hydra so I missed that.


    That I understand.
    It also wouldn't hurt to request Plex to make a transfer/decrypt plug in but I don't know if they'd think it to be worth their while.


    I wouldn't rule out complaints from the content providers causing TiVo to lag or jettison fixing this.
    ***(Cough)Comcast(Cough)***
     
  18. Jan 9, 2018 #158 of 165
    ajwees41

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    better yet why can't there be a software like archivo with a plex plugin that puts the tivo tivo videos the the correct format in the plex library
     
  19. Jan 9, 2018 #159 of 165
    foghorn2

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    The saved TiVo files/file names should be perfect and good enough for any software to scan, decrypt, and stream/share, unfortunately plex on the Tivo cant do such and was a stupid move by TiVo. If all we need is a decrypter, then get us Kodi or DLNA on the TiVo
     
  20. Jan 9, 2018 #160 of 165
    TonyD79

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    The plex server handles the codecs. Not the client. Plex on the TiVo is a client.
     

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