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Plex on the Bolt

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by DC_SnDvl, Oct 15, 2017.

  1. MighTiVo

    MighTiVo TiVotarian

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    Update from the Plex Forums
    1. HEVC 8 bit (Non HDR) enabled for Direct Play and Direct Stream. Unfortunately due to TiVo bug but Direct Stream of HEVC no longer works. Working with TiVo on it.
    2. HEVC Direct Play of HEVC AAC, AC3, or EAC3 enabled.
    3. HEVC with other audio codecs will be transcoded to H264
    4. January update will enable DirectPlay HEVC 10 bit (HDR)
    Cautions & Caveats:

    HEVC HDR playing high complexity / sudden abrupt changes does suffer a bit at the upper bit rates due to the device limitations. Your mileage will vary.
    English form: They support 10bit HEVC but are sensitive to the bitrate
     
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  2. dswallow

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    I wish whoever keeps choosing slightly underpowered CPUs/GPUs for TiVo Mini and DVR devices would get themselves fired.
     
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  3. MighTiVo

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    Are there any comparisons of CPU/GPU/Ram for TiVo devices vs Amazon TV, Roku, Apple TV, etc.
     
  4. aaronwt

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    Good. Maybe now my Bolts and Mini Vox can reliably play my UHD files through PLEX.

    They work great with my low resolution 720P and 1080i TV recordings in PLEX but I have a bunch of high bitrate UHD files. The Roku Streaming Stick + and Roku Ultra play them without issue but the Bolt and Mini Vox choke on them.
     
  5. Miles267

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    Agree. To date my Bolt+ has never been able to play anything via Plex. Regardless of MKV or MP4, HEVC, etc. Had completely given up.


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  6. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

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    I have a Netgear router with built in Plex, works great with TiVo and I use MP4 movie recordings. (You do have to sign into Plex once per TiVo/Mini)
     
  7. Miles267

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    Nice! Is your Netgear router able to Directplay 4K MP4 videos back without any transcoding? Currently the latest TiVo Bolt and Mini Vox units cannot. Yet.


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  8. jcthorne

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    YES, they can and have been able to do so for some time. DId you read the requirements in the posting above? They have not changed and unfortunately still cannot play 10bit HDR recordings but Plex can indeed stream 4k video to Bolt and Plex. The files MUST be in direct playable format as stated.
     
  9. Weewahz

    Weewahz New Member

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    I just upgraded my Bolt to Hydra after getting a Mini Vox and then started to have Plex buffer every minute when playing certain high bitrate Blu-Rays (my test is Sing which is 35 Mbps). Everything is hard wired, so I was dumbfounded as to how bandwidth could be an issue. Even my Roku can do a 35Mbps Blu-Ray over wireless without buffering. Setting the local quality to 20 Mbps fixed the issue, but I shouldn't have to do that...Hope they update the app soon.
     
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  10. kpfleming

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    Long time listener, first time caller... wait, not a radio show.

    I've been a Tivo user forever (since Series 1 days), and this past weekend upgraded from a Roamio Plus to a Bolt VOX. The immediate need for the upgrade was that I recently started using Plex, and I've been filling the Plex server with Blu-Ray content, but the Roamio was only able to handle 4Mbps 720p output in the Plex app. The Bolt seems to be handling the 20+Mbps 1080p content just fine, I don't have any 4K content at this point. I'm using MakeMKV to rip Blu-Ray discs but not postprocessing the files at all, so they are full bitrate rips.

    The only issue I have at this point is that for some reason I cannot get any surround audio tracks to play back via this configuration. I have verified in Plex that the MKVs contain both DTS HD-Master and DD 5.1 audio tracks, and in the Plex player I can see both tracks and switch between them, but my surround-capable soundbar does not go into surround mode. It does for cable content, premium cable content, and HBO GO content, all delivered from the Bolt, but I still have a few other variables to eliminate (for example, the surround tracks might be in a format too advanced for the soundbar to decode).

    Anyone else had any trouble getting surround audio played back via Plex on a Bolt?
     
  11. jcthorne

    jcthorne Well-Known Member

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    If you want dolby surround sound (AC3) audio when playing from Plex, your recordings will have to be direct playable. This means they must be streamable mp4 files with an h.264 video and AC3 audio track ONLY. Plex has never done a very good job of remuxing (direct stream in plex speak) content for the Tivo, if it has to convert anything, you get 2 channel AAC audio which is sort of a lowest common denominator for streaming boxes in general.

    Please note that I am NOT saying this is the way it should be, its not. Plex seems to have very little interest in fixing issues specific to various tivo models. You have to store your video in very specific format to direct play on the Tivo, then it all works. Plex is not perfect, but for Tivo its about all we have at the moment. One side benefit I did find is that converting all my video content to this direct playable format for tivo also plays well on all my other devices. PC and Android/Fire based.
     
  12. kpfleming

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    Thanks, I started experimenting with that yesterday. I've got other issues in my media network interfering with delivery of AC3 (or anything higher) to my soundbar, so I'll get those resolved first.

    It is rather disappointing that the Plex app for Tivo (and the Tivo itself) are so constrained in supporting surround audio formats. I may end up getting a Roku or Fire TV to use as a Plex client instead of the Tivo, since they support pretty much every surround format. The Bolt was a nice upgrade over the Roamio even if it doesn't end up solving my Plex problems :)
     
  13. jcthorne

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    At the moment, the android / Fire TV plex app does not deliver 5.1 sound at all, even if its direct streamable as the pass though function was borked. The android boxes do not natively support any surround formats, only as pass through. So those clients are actually worse off than Tivo at the moment and have been for months. Plex is an equal opportunity bug launcher......

    Some folks have found better functionality using Kodi with the Plex plug in but I have not tried that. I use Tivo for the vast majority of my Plex usage and a Fire TV box at our vacation home that does not have 5.1 sound anyway, just a stereo sound bar.
     
  14. kpfleming

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    Ugh. Well, that's not ideal, but at least it's improvable if the Plex team decides to improve it. I sincerely hope it's not a Tivo software limitation constraining output to only AC3 (or lower).

    Is anyone aware of a 'known good' MP4 file with AC3 audio that I could download to test with, in order to eliminate the variables introduced by me producing files? Right now I still have 3 (or maybe 4) parts of the equation that are unverified, and each one that I can test on its own is helpful. Learning that my LG TV is unable to pass through AC3 (or anything better) was an eye-opener; now I'm using an HDMI audio extractor to pull off the audio stream before it goes to the TV, and I might switch to an HDMI-equipped soundbar (for that and other reasons).
     
  15. Ansel Goldgar

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    I can't get live tv to work on my Bolt. Is there a trick to this or does the TIVO Plex app not support live tv. I can watch shows recorded by the PLEX dvr and thing that I can access in the channels.
     
  16. aaronwt

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    You would do so called Live TV directly from the Bolt with the TiVo app. Although it's not technically live since it's being recorded and written to Bolt Hard drive first. Then read off the hard drive, transcoded and sent over the internet to your device.

    But even doing that I will still be ahead of live TV from Comcast in my area. Since channels in their cable system around here is behind OTA and FiOS by 20 to 30 seconds.

    I can be at my parents or brothers house, using the TiVo app watching from FiOS, and I will still be ahead of what is being output from a non DVR STB on Comcast.
     
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  17. jcthorne

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    Are you trying to use the Plex DVR functions via the client ap on the Tivo? Your question is really unclear what you are trying to do. If you are on the tivo, just hit the live button and watch live tv directly on the Tivo, not via the plex ap. The plex server has no access to the Tivo tuners so what ever you are using for a Plex server would need a tv tuner set up with Plex.

    I realize my response is haphazard but your question is really vague as to what you are trying to do.
     
  18. rsday75

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    So, some thoughts/the way I understand things.
    Tivo did not pay the licensing fee to do DTS. It will only do AC3/Dolby Digital.
    Any DTS will need to be remuxed into AC3. Direct Play/Stream will get you PCM audio.

    Now, that said, there is an issue in Plex and a file will need to be edited on your Plex server to force the Tivo unit to do AC3. Once the file is edited, restart your Plex server for the changes to take affect.

    Before editing the file, all my DTS content was PCMed to my receiver as either stereo or 5.1 channel PCM which was terrible. Now I at least get AC3 5.1 Dolby....but, it has to be transcoded......Sigh.

    File to edit and such are detailed here:
    Plex Tivo (Roamio) Audio Transcode DTS to Stereo Instead of AC3

    Hope some of this helps.
     
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  19. kpfleming

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    Fabulous! That was it, now my MKVs with DTS-MA play with AC3 5.1 output, so I don't have to transcode them. I still need to decide whether I find this acceptable or whether I should get a new Plex client which can handle DTS and Dolby TrueHD, but that's for another day. Thanks again.
     
  20. jcthorne

    jcthorne Well-Known Member

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    Updated Plex Client for Tivo:

    January 23 2018 • 3.13.9

    NEW:

    • TiVo: Direct play 10bit HEVC. Works best with lower quality 4K content.
    • TiVo: Remove the ability to Direct Stream videos using HEVC video codec. We've filed a bug report with TiVo.
    • webOS: Identify webOS displays and capabilities using platform library.
    • webOS: New Settings > Audio > Dolby TrueHD setting enables direct play of TrueHD audio on supported displays.
    • webOS: Improved 4K video playback for H.264, HEVC, and VP9 video codecs within any file which supports these video codecs.
    • webOS: Direct play MKV files with H.264, HEVC, VC1, VP9, MPEG4 video and AAC, MP3, VORBIS, DTS, or AC3 audio. Only available on webOS >= 3.0.
    • webOS: Direct play AVI files with MPEG4 (xvid/divx) and MJPEG video and AAC, MP3, PCM, DTS, or AC3 audio.
    • webOS: Direct play MP4 files with H.264 and HEVC video and AAC, MP3, DTS, or AC3 audio.
    • webOS: Direct play M2TS and TS files with H.264, HEVC, or MPEG2VIDEO video and AAC, MP2, MP3, DTS, or AC3 audio.
    • webOS: Direct play MOV files with H.264 or MPEG4 video and AAC, DTS, or AC3 audio.
    • webOS: Direct play WMV files with VC1, or WMV3 video and WMAV2, WMAPRO, DTS, or AC3 audio.
    FIXED:

    • All: Pressing stop before media is ready will correctly teardown the media components.
    • All: The music player no longer respects the allow direct play and allow direct stream video player setting.
    • All: Logging to media servers is able to be disabled after being enabled.
    • webOS: Enable Dolby Digital (AC3) audio stream support on all displays.
    • webOS: Improve seeking and resuming for video playback. This benefits 4K direct stream the most.
     
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