PlayLater - TiVo You Need To Do This!!

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  1. MichaelK

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    Not sure that accurately presents things. The FCC attempted to regulate the broadcast flag to "ensure the succes of the digital broadcast transition" and was slapped down by the courts. As far as I understand broadcast TV is still allowed to add the flag to their content but no one is required to pay any attention to it.

    Anyway cable labs and the people that license content to cable all have their own license agreements and violating those would likely be illegal.

    And i think breaking encrytption is illegal by dmca under certain conditions. But blowing off flag bits seems not to be illegal.
     
  2. Adam1115

    Adam1115 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Honestly, I'd avoid this company like the plague. For me, they set up an 'auto-renewing' subscription and their website wouldn't allow me to cancel. They have no phone number for support.
     
  3. mikeyts

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    There's no "blowing off a flag" involved here. Copy One Generation content is provided by the cable company on the line encrypted with a proprietary system. CableCARDs decrypt it and re-encrypt with a standard system called DFAST to pass it back across its interface to the host (TiVo). In accordance with licensing restrictions that TiVo and all other CableCARD implementing OEMs have to sign in order to implement CableCARD and use DFAST to decrypt content received from CableCARDs, they can only handle that decrypted content in certain explicitly permitted ways. (You can read the DFAST license agreement here).

    But you're right--it wouldn't so much be a violation of the DMCA, but a violation of their DFAST and CableCARD licenses which could (would) result in termination of those licenses and the inability to manufacture any more CableCARD devices.

    But there are other "flags", like CGMS-A and Macrovision Colorstripe, which recording devices are required to pay attention to; I don't think that any DVD recorder on the market in the US will ignore those mechanism and I'm fairly certain that ignoring them is a violation of the DMCA. (One of the things that the DFAST license requires is the application of an approved analog protection mechanism to output of protected content over analog connections. I wonder if computer video capture cards are required to pay attention to those flags?).

    The Broadcast Flag was kind of a special case, since the FCC was widely overstepping its bounds by trying to require that even computer hardwae pay attention to these flags; they were slapped down by the courts.
     
  4. Chris Gerhard

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    PlayLater is still around, I purchased a lifetime license. I couldn't conclude the software is illegal, the concept of timeshifting should pertain to internet TV received in your home so if no digital copy protection is being circumvented, nothing illegal should be happening is my guess. Of course that doesn't mean the sites can't take measures to prevent the software from working which would make it worthless but life is full of chances. I like the software really well, it works the way I hoped it would work and it is simple to use.

    The only value comes from downloading programming that will not be available for viewing long and programming to be viewed when no internet connection is available, to take with you on a laptop primarily. I don't have Netflix or Hulu Plus or Amazon Prime or any other monthly pay service to know if it works, if it does, recording a few thousand shows and cancel the subscription for a few years might be an option. I have been using it with Hulu, Comedy Central, The Food Network and a few others. I did test it with Amazon Instant Video and it worked but I don't care to use it with that service, I can just download those programs to a TiVo, much better option.
     
  5. Grakthis

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    It's not useful for an HTPC. The only time it's useful for an HTPC is if you record something off of netflix, for example, that's going away and don't want to watch it till later. Otherwise, why not just stream the movie? Why download it?

    Playlater is used for installing on a laptop and then recording the video then taking the laptop with you.

    I thought the same thing you did... but without decoding the video and otherwise altering it, you can't copy it to a mobile device. It's stuck on the device where you install playlater.
     
  6. dlfl

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    PlayOn/PlayLater can stream to a variety of devices on the same network, e.g Roku, Google TV. However when streaming that way the only player controls you have are pause, stop and play (no skip, fast-forward or seek). That makes it next to useless IMHO. (I'm currently free-trialing it.)
    I was watching a 2 hr recording and it froze at 1.5 hours. The only choice is to restart and watch the entire recording -- forget it! PlayOn support confirmed that seeking and fast-forward are not available when streaming to another device. When you play back on the same machine that made the PlayLater recording you get all the trick play controls. Their explanation is it's because of the transcoding that is involved. I don't believe that is an insurmountable issue, although I'm sure it would take more coding effort. In fact I believe Stream Baby Stream solves this exact same issue. Anyway, as you say, it looks useful primarily for a laptop to take recordings on trips.
     
  7. Chris Gerhard

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    Since the computer has to be running anyway to use it, I just connected the computer to the HD display and use PlayLater that way most often. There just aren't any single box solutions that do everything I need but the TiVo/Google TV/PS3/PC seems to cover everything so I have a 4 box solution. Accessing PlayLater with Google TV or the PS3 requires being careful, just hit pause and play, nothing else. PlayLater works well enough for the other rooms to make it much better than next to useless in my opinion.
     
  8. Grakthis

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    Yes. But there's no advantage to PlayLater vs PlayOn when doing this. It's virtually the same to the end device.

    Not true. PlayOn features fast forward and rewind. PlayLater does not due to the encoding.

    Right. But it's important to keep in mind, the limits you describe are for PlayLater NOT for PLayOn.

    I've been a loyal user of PlayOn for almost 3 years now and PlayLater for only a few months.

    PlayOn is a great product. PlayLater is really meh. It's just lacking the portability it needs to have unless you install it on a laptop.
     
  9. Grakthis

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    Again, what benefit does PlayLater give you over PlayOn in those situations?

    PlayOn seems strictly better unless your internet is awful and you can't stream.
     
  10. Chris Gerhard

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    Several things come to mind for me.

    1. Record to laptop for times away from Wi-Fi.

    2. Record programs that won't be available to stream for long and watch later.

    3. Watch recorded programs when bandwidth is needed for something else, one example would be someone else in the house is streaming Vudu HDX.

    4. PlayLater works as well as PlayOn streaming when used with the same computer running PlayOn/PlayLater. My girlfriend can just pick a program from many on the my recordings list instead of sorting through the PlayOn channels trying to find something. I have already recorded Chopped, Cupcake Wars, etc. for her so she has one list for everything. When I was installing this "crap we don't need", I didn't think I would ever hear the end of it but I made sure to show her how useful it is after installed and she loves it, very easy for her to use. It is even better than I thought it would be. We already have a house full of stuff she either can't use or didn't want, this product and TiVo are things she uses.
     
  11. dlfl

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    I just re-tested using PlayOn streaming to Google TV on my Revue. The "Fast-Forward" is a joke IMO. You have to hit it once then wait a second or two to get a 30 second skip. Holding the button down does nothing. This is practically useless if you need to jump to say the one hour point in a two hour video. This holds true whether viewing internet content or local media files. PlayLater was not involved in these tests.

    My PC is an i7-860 (Quad core) at 2.8 MHz with 8 GB RAM and the connection is hardwired 100 Mbps Ethernet. Everything rates "Max" in PlayOn setup. When I use Windows MC to stream local video files to the DLNA client in the Revue I get not only fast forward but random seek.

    Maybe this works better with a different client, e.g., the Roku box ??
     
  12. Chris Gerhard

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    I am not aware of any server client setups that do time search of internet streaming. I don't have Roku but I do have a PlayOn supported client, a PS3, and although it appears to be able to move forward at various increments, 30 seconds to 5 minutes, it doesn't work for me.

    PlayLater works fine for time search if used with the computer running PlayLater but I can't go to a client in the house and do time search or skip forward, at least not by any method I have found. I suspect PlayLater will be used primarily with the computer it is installed on for me.
     

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