PlayLater - TiVo You Need To Do This!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by atmuscarella, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. mattack

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    This doesn't answer your question, and based upon your answer you probably already know this, but...

    Timeshifting of content *is* legally protected, via the Sony/Universal "VCR case". However, that is only for timeshifting, and they purposely do not legitimize "librarying" (i.e. recording for keeps). That does not mean it's illegal, just that it hasn't been decided either way.


    BTW, I would use something like this too (if it were legal), and I think it WOULD be useful on a Tivo. Trying to 8 second skip back a netflix stream is annoying as heck.
     
  2. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    then use Amazon. Also the skipback is actually the one useful interface part of Netflix on TiVo. The Wii has no such option and moving around in the stream is pretty much a hassle
     
  3. Fofer

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    True.

    And, given that TiVo can't even get our own YouTube playlists to work properly (which would also give us similar "play later" workflow,) I have no confidence they'd be able to pull anything else remotely similar off. Nearly every other set top box (heck even the iPhone's YouTube app) supports user playlists. TiVo YouTube app has been broken for over two years. No one's minding the store.

    Imagine if we had a bookmarklet from the likes of WatchLater. We'd tag an online video, then be able to access that same video on TV via TiVo. If the iPad can do it, I don't see why TiVo couldn't, too.

    I was hoping that YouTube videos would work at the very least, using playlists... but obviously that's just not in the cards. <sigh> :(
     
  4. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Wii has best system for moving around in the stream. DRag that cursor anywhere in the timeline near instantly. PLus it shows enough frames to judge what scene you are in.

    Don't think there is a 10 second skip back so Tivo might be better there.
     
  5. orangeboy

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    Purely by accident, I found that the Premiere can also navigate to anywhere in a Netflix playback timeline by using the RPC protocol.
     
  6. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    oh you can zoom around to anywhere in the playback. The hard part is getting to some specific spot you want. :)
     
  7. mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    Gosh. Another feature an HTPC can do that a Tivo can't. Who'd a thunk it?:rolleyes: All that and no outrageous monthly fees.
     
  8. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    I really should go out and plunk 1,000 down on a HTPC and then take the rest of the summer playing with the features

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    I can use that time to watch the shows my TiVo DVR records with rock solid reliability

    :D
     
  9. Fofer

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    Yeah, as much as we razz this company for it's missing features and missteps, I still have yet to see an HTPC that has the same ease-of-use, reliability and pick-up-the-remote-and-start-enjoying-TV'ness as a TiVo.
     
  10. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    Ellicott...
    It's apparent that you haven't seen mine. It's every bit as easy to use as my Tivo. I was a Tivo fanatic for well over a decade until I started using an HTPC for recording. Initially, I used my DirecTivos for DirecTV recordings and the HTPC for my OTA locals. The advantage of having an almost limitless number of tuners in one box was a huge plus. I was using BeyondTV at the time so there was no limit on the tuner count, as with WMC (a limitation that is easily circumvented).

    I switched over to FIOS over 3-1/2 years ago and picked up a couple of S3 Tivos to use with it. When the Ceton InfiniTV4 tuners came out I made the switch to WMC and stopped using my Tivos altogether. WMC has all the features I ever used with my Tivos and more. Granted, it may not be for everyone, depending on how you use your Tivo, but a stable, working HTPC is a joy to use (and it's not as hard as you think to get an HTPC working this way). The ability to stream Blu-Ray movies from my server with full HD audio puts it head and shoulders above any other DVR, IMHO.

    A Tivo is basically a DVR with a lot of extra bells and whistles that may or may not be attractive to you. Most of them aren't for me. My HTPC has become the perfect all-in-one solution for the way I watch TV. Obviously, YMMV. There are lots of pros and cons for both solutions so it's best to choose what works for you. One of the most attractive features for me is that I will never have to pay any monthly fees for a DVR service and there are no lifetime subscriptions required. A single M-card rental gets me twice the nuimber of digital tuners that any current Tivo model offers.
     
  11. Fofer

    Fofer Bo55man69

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    What's the total cost of that HTPC? Please include hardware, software, and time spent setting it up. For comparison's sake, I paid about $370 for my TiVo Premiere... and yes, that includes a lifetime subscription. I'm pretty sure I paid about $80 more for the 2TB hard drive upgrade.

    I have seen a bunch of very advanced HTPC setups and none of them (even the most expensive) is as easy and "fool proof" as the TiVo Premiere I've been sticking with. The folks showing them off may THINK they're perfect, but when it's demo time they start fumbling and hemming and hawing and making excuses when things don't work correctly or as easily as a TV/DVR should. Sure, it may be easy for them when they're alone, but not so easy when someone else tries to fiddle with it, or some variable has changed. In short... very low "WAF" (Wife Acceptance Factor.)

    That being said, I'm not a TV junkie and I rarely, if ever, find the need for more than two tuners. Maybe that's the difference here. My desires and needs are pretty basic. I've also very little interest in making my home theater another tech project to stress over. I just want reliability (and the iPad app is pretty freakin' sweet.)

    Oh well. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. YMMV indeed...
     
  12. orangeboy

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    You got a lifetimed Premiere for $370?

    I don't think we can use you as a statistical average for this comparison.
     
  14. Fofer

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    Yeah, I got the Premiere (refurb) off Woot.com for $65 (including $5 shipping) and lifetime service was $299. So it really was $364 total.
     
  15. innocentfreak

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    People have picked them up even cheaper, around $249, but you can buy a Lifetime Premiere for about $475 or so on a daily basis.

    Most who bought the Woot refurbs were able to get $299 lifetime before the price increase of lifetime but just after TiVo dropped the hardware prices.
     
  16. innocentfreak

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    Of course now Hauppage just announced on their Facebook page a two tuner cablecard option for $129 and I believe they said it has passed cable labs certification so we should see it in the next few months.
     
  17. Fofer

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    Including lifetime service?


    Yes, my quoted $364 price included the lifetime sub; I got a Woot refurb.
     
  18. innocentfreak

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    Yeah. They grabbed the $50 TiVos from electronics expo during some random sale plus coupon for additional % off and then by calling in to TiVo were able to use the $199 upgrade offer. There was a thread about it on here and not everyone got it but more than a handfull on here and slickdeals got it.
     
  19. Fofer

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    Even today's price of $475 (that you mentioned) compares rather favorably to a "DIY HTPC" that doesn't have nearly the same "reliable set-top-boxness" of a TiVo.

    I certainly see the appeal of building my own flexible "open" box... I'm a tinkerer and hobbyist hacker. I've enjoyed many a project of that ilk. For whatever reason though when it comes to TV watching, I don't want to have to deal with any of that. I just want to veg out on the couch and know that shows I set to record, *did* record, and that I can start watching them with the absolute minimum of fuss.
     
  20. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I keep toying with adding a HTPC but have yet to find a justifiable reason. Last time I did it I never used it, but that was before CableCARD tuners.

    Now if TiVo supported WTV files it would be a different story.
     

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