Pitch S1E1 Pilot 9/22/2016 spoilers

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by DancnDude, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003


    They worked a deal with MLB. First time any series has done it to this extreme. That's why they're able to show real ballparks (instead of "SuperBurger Field"), real players, real announcers... well, you get it.

    I'm a baseball fan, but didn't let that get in the way of the show. If I did, I'd have a TCF thread debate going on in my head the entire episode.

    I liked the pilot. Can they keep it up?
  2. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    Barely any sports shows or movies stand up to actual athletic achievement so I always look past that.

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  3. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    I really really wanted to like this show, but I just didn't. First of all the main character was a stuck up jerk. If she were a guy, she would have been put in her place rather quickly. She was arrogant with an attitude that she was better than the established stars. Second, in real baseball, after a performance like that she gets sent down to the minors, especially since it was a spot start. And no owner, woman or not, would allow her to stay when she's clearly not ready. So now not only is the main character totally unlikable but what happened to her was totally unrealistic.

    And to add to the trouble was the fact that Joe Buck was included and had about the worst lines written for a sportscaster in the history of sportscaster cameos. Plus it felt like a shill for Fox Sports (which is okay in the scheme of things, Blackish was MUCH worse shilling Walt Disney World this past week).

    I'll stick around mostly because I'm a big baseball fan, and I'm hopeful it will get better, but I have my doubts.
  4. Ruth

    Ruth Well-Known Member

    Jul 31, 2001
    This is interesting because I didn't see anything like this. I didn't read it as her being arrogant or superior at all, just trying to establish that she was tough and wouldn't be easily pushed around/hazed even though she was a woman. To me it seemed totally necessary for her to show some attitude if she wanted to be taken at all seriously by the team. To me, her actions seemed consistent with how women need to push back in a lot of different male-dominated settings if they want to be taken seriously and not be a target.

    I think my read on it is what they were going for, but obviously didn't get there for everyone . . . I wonder if there's a gender split in how people view the character. I'd bet there is.
  5. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD


    Sounds like you don't know many baseball players. Steve, I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Harper.

    Anyway, she wasn't stuck up or arrogant. She was self-assured. She acted just like most successful athletes would in that situation. Did you think she was stuck up because she didn't talk to the assistant guy? That is pre-game ritual. In fact, the autographs she gave to the fans before warmups were more out of character than her keeping within herself.

    As for her interactions with the players...huh? She was friends with one. She had a nice chat with the leader of the team. She was only snarky with the guy who belittled her.

    As for being sent down. They explained that. They didn't want to look bad and still believed in her. Not everyone is always demoted right away. Especially if it is part of a publicity stunt (see Mr. Tebow) or the people running the team believe she can do it.

    BTW, she did very well in her next outing, so your judgement would have been wrong.

    You must not watch many sports movies. It was a bit simplistic but seemed appropriate to me.

    Funny, as I watched blackish (the show is lower case), I wondered how Disney cleared it. They made fun of the lines at Disney for 20 minutes. I wouldn't call that shilling.
  6. bruinfan

    bruinfan Well-Known Member

    Jan 17, 2006
    Elk Grove, CA
    my point is, watching her throw, there is no way a ball leaves her hand at 85mph. i know they say it's 85, but there is no way that throwing motion generates 85. for me, it's distracting. cuz i'm watching major leaguers whiff at balls that can't be going faster than your best little leaguers.
    i don't care how good her screwball is.

    it would be like watching an actor with a crappy swing "hit it 300 yds". distracting if you are a golfer.
  7. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Thought it was fairly entertaining, the father twist got me.. I too thought the "she chokes the first time out" part was very predictable.

    Was pretty decent, will add it to my new shows to keep watching at least for a while, even though I'm largely a sports hater.. (Olympics + Little League WS are about the only sports I regularly watch.. and you can see how relatively infrequent those are.) But e.g. SportsNight was a great TV show.. so even if I don't like the basic "topic", I can like the show.
  8. smak

    smak TV MA SLV

    Feb 11, 2000
    NoHo, CA USA

    Yah, totally agree

  9. Family

    Family Well-Known Member

    Jul 23, 2001
    If they could have had her choke by throwing balls that were at least plausible. I don't think Steve Blass was even this bad.
  10. Bars & Tone

    Bars & Tone Will Draw for Food

    Aug 28, 2004
    "Juuuuust a bit outside."

    I'm with the others that don't see how it can go very far with the whole "first woman in MLB" angle.
    And I'm guessing they put her in the NL because then eventually they can get an episode out of hitting. But the AL would certainly make more sense if this were to really happen.
  11. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    Find me one sports movie that really sold its lead. Hard to do, especially with pitchers.

    BTW, Jamie Moyer's fastball (which he hardly ever threw) topped out at 80 MPH in the last few years of his career. He still whiffed guys.

    Knuckle balls are slow as well. They can be effective.

    I am not going to defend the show on technical baseball merits but some of the posts I am seeing in this thread pretty much ignore reality as well.
  12. teknikel

    teknikel Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Agreed. All.

    Say there is no Jim Furyk. But some actor in a movie featuring golf had a swing like his. Remember, you've never seen Jim Furyk's swing or any like it. What reaction would you have had?
  13. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    Here's the thing. As I said, if she were a man, and she acted cocky and arrogant, she would have been put in her place. Most rookies establish themselves before they speak up. There was a Yankee recently who acted cocky like that and there were a lot of vets who didn't like it. That's how it's normally done. It's about team, not about me. She acted like she had a chip on her shoulder (and I guess being a woman in a man's world, that may be how she was supposed to act, I don't know), and I didn't like it. I tend not to like arrogant types, so maybe this is on me.
  14. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    I guess you don't remember the reaction to Harper when he acted that way. Once he proved he could play, then it was accepted. Before that, the reaction was the same as described, an arrogant jerk.

    Just because you are self assured doesn't mean you have to act like that. As I said, prove it first, then you can act like you want. She proved nothing until she actually pitched (the second time)

    Yep one was a friend. The "nice" chat wasn't exactly a nice chat with the leader.

    Yep, it's a publicity stunt, ONCE. This is TV, so I get they gave her the second chance. If she was a guy, doubt she'd get that without more seasoning in the minors, unless the team was out of the pennant race and it was the end of the season.

    That's typical TV troupe. She was so incredibly bad the first time out, she didn't deserve a second time.

    I watch a lot of sports movies (and 100s if not 1000s of sporting events each year), and the scripting was horrible, but I guess no worse than the worst sports movies.

    We must have been watching a different show. Think Disney doesn't know they have long lines? That's not exactly making fun of them. The whole show in Disney World on a network OWNED by Disney is a shill for them. Just as having the cast of Superstore spending the whole day in Universal would be.
  15. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    How soon before they have her have a love affair with one of the players?
  16. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    NOT from his teammates. From other players on other teams. Where have we seen one interaction with other teams with her?

    Act like what? What specifically are you talking about?

    Other than the don't touch my butt (which is a personal space issue), what the heck are you talking about?

    Uh-huh. No man has ever been given a second change. Right. I have watched dozens of players who cannot get out of their own way get a second and third chance just this year. And even more going back a few years.

    And look no further than the Mets recent endeavor to see a MAN who was given multiple chances even in the NFL despite utter failure. Tim Tebow never earned a shot to be the starter in the playoffs for Denver except for stubborn management. It happens much more often than you think. As does the reverse. A pitcher comes up for a start, goes lights out and gets sent down for "seasoning." It isn't about that one performance but about overall judgment of the player. You would make too many knee-jerk decisions.

    Do you get that players earn their chances over more than 2 batters?

    Completely disagree with you here. And I am around minor league ball players all summer every summer for over 20 years. It felt more true to me than most sports movies I have seen.

    They DID make fun of them. Most of the show was about how they got to skip them. Do you sleep during TV? And word leaked out on social media that they weren't happy with the final product.
  17. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    I enjoyed the show a lot! I haven't seen episode two yet, but will watch that tonight.

    I liked how they played it at the end with the father angle. Interesting.

    One thing I wish is that she wouldn't have choked soooo bad on her first time out. I get why they did it.
    My question is how realistic is it? I mean have their been fresh out of the minors that have choked on the mound like that?

    Also, a twist I could see coming would be the SECOND female major league player.
  18. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one rather than bore everyone here going back and forth. I didn't like it much, you did. That's what opinions are all about.
  19. hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

    Dec 5, 2000
    CO via Chi-town
    And this year, the MLB ERA leader is Kyle Hendricks who averages mid-80s, with his hardest pitch of the whole year at 91.

    I'll say that I generally liked the show, but the poor pitch mechanics do distract me. I can't help it. It just does.
  20. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

    Feb 2, 2006
    The problem with shows like this is that viewers tend to over-analyze the technical aspect of the show and look past the story and the characters. If you want reality then watch an actual baseball game. You guys sound as if you've never watched a TV show before. There are very few shows that are even remotely plausible when you start dissecting them. This is fiction, after all.

    I thoroughly enjoyed the pilot. I almost didn't recognize Mark-Paul Gosselaar with the beard. He looks like he bulked up a bit for the part or maybe just got a little heavier.
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